Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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Rev 14.
Totally ruins a rapture at the end of the gt.
Read it at least one time.
At least take a peek.
Jesus gathers a group of Jews DURING THE GT while SITTING ON A CLOUD AND HOLDING A SICKLE. In rev 14.
Hello????
That ain't no horse he is on.
Pssst...none of the rapture verses have any room for a horse ,or a billion of them ,with riders to war down to a destroyed planet.
Totally ruins a rapture at the end of the gt.
Read it at least one time.
At least take a peek.
Jesus gathers a group of Jews DURING THE GT while SITTING ON A CLOUD AND HOLDING A SICKLE. In rev 14.
Hello????
That ain't no horse he is on.
Pssst...none of the rapture verses have any room for a horse ,or a billion of them ,with riders to war down to a destroyed planet.
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""Christ Yeshua did not warn us of this tribulation beforehand, if it did not have any relevance to our lives, teaching us to keep our faith lamps full of oil""
Your entire premise fails.
Jesus warned us of hell also.
Does that also mean we are going to be in hell also?
The 5 foolish were cast into the gt.
In the gt you got 2 choices.
Take the mark or die.
There is no believers at the end of the gt to rapture.
The church age closes at the "innumerable number " before the throne in heaven having been MARTYRED/ MURDERED by the ac.
Church age ends,time of Jacob's trouble begins.
""Christ Yeshua did not warn us of this tribulation beforehand, if it did not have any relevance to our lives, teaching us to keep our faith lamps full of oil""
Your entire premise fails.
Jesus warned us of hell also.
Does that also mean we are going to be in hell also?
The 5 foolish were cast into the gt.
In the gt you got 2 choices.
Take the mark or die.
There is no believers at the end of the gt to rapture.
The church age closes at the "innumerable number " before the throne in heaven having been MARTYRED/ MURDERED by the ac.
Church age ends,time of Jacob's trouble begins.
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I think the parable of the 5 virgins is a parable. 
Which means that it is using an illustration from common culture scenario (Jewish wedding customs) to drive home or illuminate understanding about what it means to "always be ready" because you don't know when the Lord will return. It is not an allegory. I think too much is attempted in allegorizing the details of the story rather than the lesson in the parable. Different parables can be used to teach the same lesson. It would be confusing to try and make them be roadmaps for the timing of the tribulation. That was not the lesson at all.
Which means that it is using an illustration from common culture scenario (Jewish wedding customs) to drive home or illuminate understanding about what it means to "always be ready" because you don't know when the Lord will return. It is not an allegory. I think too much is attempted in allegorizing the details of the story rather than the lesson in the parable. Different parables can be used to teach the same lesson. It would be confusing to try and make them be roadmaps for the timing of the tribulation. That was not the lesson at all.-
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I think the parable of the 5 virgins is a parable. Which means that it is using an illustration from common culture scenario (Jewish wedding customs) to drive home or illuminate understanding about what it means to "always be ready" because you don't know when the Lord will return. It is not an allegory. I think too much is attempted in allegorizing the details of the story rather than the lesson in the parable. Different parables can be used to teach the same lesson. It would be confusing to try and make them be roadmaps for the timing of the tribulation. That was not the lesson at all.
Which means that it is using an illustration from common culture scenario (Jewish wedding customs) to drive home or illuminate understanding about what it means to "always be ready" because you don't know when the Lord will return. It is not an allegory. I think too much is attempted in allegorizing the details of the story rather than the lesson in the parable. Different parables can be used to teach the same lesson. It would be confusing to try and make them be roadmaps for the timing of the tribulation. That was not the lesson at all.
Where there is a bridegroom and there are 10 virgins (bridesmaids?), there is no bride. It took years for me to notice that.
It's one among 3 parables but the 10 virgins parable gets most of the attention.
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Hardly anyone seems to notice that there is something missing from this alleged rapture blueprint.
Where there is a bridegroom and there are 10 virgins (bridesmaids?), there is no bride. It took years for me to notice that.
It's one among 3 parables but the 10 virgins parable gets most of the attention.
Where there is a bridegroom and there are 10 virgins (bridesmaids?), there is no bride. It took years for me to notice that.
It's one among 3 parables but the 10 virgins parable gets most of the attention.
Loads of them. Repeatedly. If you don't read them it's your own fault.
How many more times do I have to post from 2 Thessalonians 1?
I've even posted it in your preferred KJV. You keep denying the the teaching of scripture.
It is spelled out for us EXACTLY WHEN the resurrection/"rapture" occurs. EXACTLY. One return.
2 Thess 1 (CSB)
5 It is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment that you will be counted worthy of God’s kingdom, for which you also are suffering,
6 since it is just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us. This will take place at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels,
8 when he takes vengeance with flaming fire on those who don’t know God and on those who don’t obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious strength
10 on that day when he comes to be glorified by his saints and to be marveled at by all those who have believed, because our testimony among you was believed.
How many more times do I have to post from 2 Thessalonians 1?
I've even posted it in your preferred KJV. You keep denying the the teaching of scripture.
It is spelled out for us EXACTLY WHEN the resurrection/"rapture" occurs. EXACTLY. One return.
2 Thess 1 (CSB)
5 It is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment that you will be counted worthy of God’s kingdom, for which you also are suffering,
6 since it is just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us. This will take place at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels,
8 when he takes vengeance with flaming fire on those who don’t know God and on those who don’t obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious strength
10 on that day when he comes to be glorified by his saints and to be marveled at by all those who have believed, because our testimony among you was believed.
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Hardly anyone seems to notice that there is something missing from this alleged rapture blueprint.
Where there is a bridegroom and there are 10 virgins (bridesmaids?), there is no bride. It took years for me to notice that.
It's one among 3 parables but the 10 virgins parable gets most of the attention.
Where there is a bridegroom and there are 10 virgins (bridesmaids?), there is no bride. It took years for me to notice that.
It's one among 3 parables but the 10 virgins parable gets most of the attention.
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Where does the Bible says that the spirit man dwells in heaven? I have not seen that. I have however noticed that man sleeps in the dust of the ground over and over again. And that the dead will be resurrected before the living when Jesus comes in the rapture. He’s just getting the bodies of people then?
Which also makes me wonder why John when he was in heaven with God didn’t see people’s spirits..in fact no one was in heaven with him until after the rapture when he saw a multitude.
Which also makes me wonder why John when he was in heaven with God didn’t see people’s spirits..in fact no one was in heaven with him until after the rapture when he saw a multitude.
True, but there are Gentiles who come to Christ after the Rapture, they are the Martyrs under the Altar a the 5th Seal, even though they do not happen at the 5th Seal, the Seals are not actionable, thus they happen over the Anti-Christs 42-month reign of terror. So, we do have a Remnant Church in the 70th week, that is what we see in Rv. 12:17, that Remnant CAN NOT be Jews, it can only be the Remnant Church on earth. The phraseology tells us that. The Dragon can't get at the Woman (1/3 who repents) and the Remnant of her seed (Jesus is the seed see Gal 3) can't be the 2/3 who do not repent, because they do not have the testimony of Jesus. So, this Remnant can only be te Gentile Church ON EARTH, who come unto Christ after the Rapture.
I caught something a few months back, notice the 50 % reference in both cases, there will be 5 of 10 brides who do not make the wedding and ONE will be taken and ONE will be left in the field in Matt. 24:36-51. I think Jesus is telling us, half of those calling themselves Christians at the time of the rapture will be exposed as frauds. So, out of 2 billion people, maybe 1 Billion or so will be Raptured and the others will be very surprised.
There is no need to be Raptured at the end of the GT, Jesus is coming to earth to rule, AND those who were Martyrs and refused the Mark of the Beast will live and reign on earth for 1000 years, with Jesus. So, there is no need for a Rapture.
You will love this, the Author is unknown to me, but I have used this for years.
http://luke810.com/wedpatt.htm
It's designed to get Israel to REPENT. That is why its the 70th and last week, in wg=hich they repent. If they had turned to God 2000 some odd years ago, IMHO, Jesus would have saved them from Rome (the fourth beast) then, but He fooreknew they would not repent, of course.
The Church Age ends with the Rapture (Rev. 4:1) thus he is given power over the Saints because they missed the wedding and became true Christians only after the Rapture, AND Saints are a generic name for all Jews in the Holy bible via the Old Testament. Thus in Rev. 17 where it is said the Harlot (False Religion) Martyrs the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus, it means the Jewish people and the Christians. So, this identifies the Harlot as being on both sides of the cross. The Church age end before the 70th week begins.
I caught something a few months back, notice the 50 % reference in both cases, there will be 5 of 10 brides who do not make the wedding and ONE will be taken and ONE will be left in the field in Matt. 24:36-51. I think Jesus is telling us, half of those calling themselves Christians at the time of the rapture will be exposed as frauds. So, out of 2 billion people, maybe 1 Billion or so will be Raptured and the others will be very surprised.
There is no need to be Raptured at the end of the GT, Jesus is coming to earth to rule, AND those who were Martyrs and refused the Mark of the Beast will live and reign on earth for 1000 years, with Jesus. So, there is no need for a Rapture.
You will love this, the Author is unknown to me, but I have used this for years.
http://luke810.com/wedpatt.htm
It's designed to get Israel to REPENT. That is why its the 70th and last week, in wg=hich they repent. If they had turned to God 2000 some odd years ago, IMHO, Jesus would have saved them from Rome (the fourth beast) then, but He fooreknew they would not repent, of course.
The Church Age ends with the Rapture (Rev. 4:1) thus he is given power over the Saints because they missed the wedding and became true Christians only after the Rapture, AND Saints are a generic name for all Jews in the Holy bible via the Old Testament. Thus in Rev. 17 where it is said the Harlot (False Religion) Martyrs the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus, it means the Jewish people and the Christians. So, this identifies the Harlot as being on both sides of the cross. The Church age end before the 70th week begins.
Paradise is not Heaven per se, we are not judged until we are resurrected, Jesus was not in Heaven in the Heavenly Fathers Throne Room on that die he died, he went to Paradise, just like the thief, not Heaven. He went to the throne room to offer the Sacrifice after he was resurrected on the 3rd day. Pardis is a holding place for sould that rest/sleep until Judgment is come, or the first resurrection. We are judged before the wicked, they get judged 1000 years later at the 2nd resurrection.
The thief (ex-thief) is still in Paradise, sleeping. Awaiting the 1st resurrection.
The thief (ex-thief) is still in Paradise, sleeping. Awaiting the 1st resurrection.
That is a false teaching. Why would God take His saints off the earth when we will be the ones that
I have never understood why God would take away the mature Christians only to raise up baby Christians...doesn’t it make more sense that He uses the mature Christians? Why would God take us away when we mature Christians will be called upon to trust Him in tribulation?
The ones who are left after some of us fall away from the faith you mean?
Mark 13:9-10
But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
I have never understood why God would take away the mature Christians only to raise up baby Christians...doesn’t it make more sense that He uses the mature Christians? Why would God take us away when we mature Christians will be called upon to trust Him in tribulation?
The ones who are left after some of us fall away from the faith you mean?
1 Timothy 4:1
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
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""I caught something a few months back, notice the 50 % reference in both cases, there will be 5 of 10 brides who do not make the wedding and ONE will be taken and ONE will be left in the field in Matt. 24:36-51. I think Jesus is telling us, half of those calling themselves Christians at the time of the rapture will be exposed as frauds. So, out of 2 billion people, maybe 1 Billion or so will be Raptured and the others will be very surprised.""
Sorta,but the 5 foolish are saved but not keeping extra oil.
I also agree that the "one taken" is also the rapture.
Note that Jesus formed the "one taken" in "before the flood"
As far as those saved during the gt, they most likely are with the other martyrs or they come in with the Jews in rev 14 gathering of ripe fruit.
""I caught something a few months back, notice the 50 % reference in both cases, there will be 5 of 10 brides who do not make the wedding and ONE will be taken and ONE will be left in the field in Matt. 24:36-51. I think Jesus is telling us, half of those calling themselves Christians at the time of the rapture will be exposed as frauds. So, out of 2 billion people, maybe 1 Billion or so will be Raptured and the others will be very surprised.""
Sorta,but the 5 foolish are saved but not keeping extra oil.
I also agree that the "one taken" is also the rapture.
Note that Jesus formed the "one taken" in "before the flood"
As far as those saved during the gt, they most likely are with the other martyrs or they come in with the Jews in rev 14 gathering of ripe fruit.
Firstfruits is Jesus and those patriarchs resurrected that were seen walking in Jerusalem.
They went to heaven with Jesus. That is the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection.
Harvest is three or four parts depending on how you count "corners and gleaners"
Firstfruits always counts as the first of main harvest
They went to heaven with Jesus. That is the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection.
Harvest is three or four parts depending on how you count "corners and gleaners"
Firstfruits always counts as the first of main harvest
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""I have never understood why God would take away the mature Christians only to raise up baby Christians...doesn’t it make more sense that He uses the mature Christians? Why would God take us away when we mature Christians will be called upon to trust Him in tribulation?""
Mat 25 is the gathering of the bride.
(The ones worthy are taken.)
Jesus said "...but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the entire world..."
Jesus said "because you have kept the word of my testimony I will keep you from the hour of testing...."
(All 3 are "worthy" dynamics.)
""I have never understood why God would take away the mature Christians only to raise up baby Christians...doesn’t it make more sense that He uses the mature Christians? Why would God take us away when we mature Christians will be called upon to trust Him in tribulation?""
Mat 25 is the gathering of the bride.
(The ones worthy are taken.)
Jesus said "...but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the entire world..."
Jesus said "because you have kept the word of my testimony I will keep you from the hour of testing...."
(All 3 are "worthy" dynamics.)
Your reply to THIS POST makes no sense, if you were replying to another post but used this one, that only leads to confusion. So I will GUESS at what you are trying to say, which doesn't match up with the post you replied to.
The Rapture is not a RISING into the clouds, WE DIE, go read 1 Cor. 15, you guys do not understand it tbh. Where it says we are CHANGED, that means WE DIE, and then our spirit men are incorruptible, just like those who are raised INCORRUPTIBLE (without flesh bodies) from the grave. If you read it very keenly, it says that Flesh and Blood CAN NOT enter Heaven !! ess told Mary in John 20, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice]. Mary, merely touching Jesus would have defiled the Sacrifice, that is how Holy God is. No sin flesh is entering heaven, we are CHANGED in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye we die, and out Spirit Men (which has no stain of sin flesh) will go to be with the Lord, where we get our Glorious bodies.
The Judean Wedding is 7 days, we stay in the Father's mansion for 7 years. The Bride knows not the day nor hour when the father of the groom will send him to get the bride, but when he is sent he blows a Shofar (Last Trump) to awaken the guests. In Rev. 4:1 it states Jesus' voice is as a Trump. The facts are the facts. You not being able to see the facts do not change the facts, sir.
And the Scriptures tell us Jesus lands in Jerusalem, so do you have a beef with the Scriptures? And, OH YEA, Rev. 19 tells us the Bride RETURNS with Jesus on White Horses (which simply means as Conquerors, a white horse stands for a conqueror). The red horse for 42 months of War, the black horse for 42 months of famine, the pale green horse for 42 months of death/sickness. The 5th Seal stands for 42 months of Martyrs. ALL stand for the Actions of the Anti-Christ over the coming 42 months. The 6th Seal tells of God's coming 42 months of Wrath. The timelines parallel, because the Anti-Christ uses this chaos to go forth conquering himself.
The Rapture is not a RISING into the clouds, WE DIE, go read 1 Cor. 15, you guys do not understand it tbh. Where it says we are CHANGED, that means WE DIE, and then our spirit men are incorruptible, just like those who are raised INCORRUPTIBLE (without flesh bodies) from the grave. If you read it very keenly, it says that Flesh and Blood CAN NOT enter Heaven !! ess told Mary in John 20, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice]. Mary, merely touching Jesus would have defiled the Sacrifice, that is how Holy God is. No sin flesh is entering heaven, we are CHANGED in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye we die, and out Spirit Men (which has no stain of sin flesh) will go to be with the Lord, where we get our Glorious bodies.
The Judean Wedding is 7 days, we stay in the Father's mansion for 7 years. The Bride knows not the day nor hour when the father of the groom will send him to get the bride, but when he is sent he blows a Shofar (Last Trump) to awaken the guests. In Rev. 4:1 it states Jesus' voice is as a Trump. The facts are the facts. You not being able to see the facts do not change the facts, sir.
And the Scriptures tell us Jesus lands in Jerusalem, so do you have a beef with the Scriptures? And, OH YEA, Rev. 19 tells us the Bride RETURNS with Jesus on White Horses (which simply means as Conquerors, a white horse stands for a conqueror). The red horse for 42 months of War, the black horse for 42 months of famine, the pale green horse for 42 months of death/sickness. The 5th Seal stands for 42 months of Martyrs. ALL stand for the Actions of the Anti-Christ over the coming 42 months. The 6th Seal tells of God's coming 42 months of Wrath. The timelines parallel, because the Anti-Christ uses this chaos to go forth conquering himself.