The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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notuptome

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Christ is reigning in his kingdom, the church, sense the day he set it up. The last day will be the last day, and Christ will gather his kingdom, which includes his church and all of the elect, and take them home to heaven. There will be no future 1000 year return of Christ.
No that's not correct. Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father waiting till His enemies be made His footstool. So many errors in your theology.

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Christ is reigning in his kingdom, the church, sense the day he set it up. The last day will be the last day, and Christ will gather his kingdom, which includes his church and all of the elect, and take them home to heaven. There will be no future 1000 year return of Christ.
I agree with you that there is no future 1000 years long reign after Jesus returns. People mistook the love and patience Jesus ruled by (and continues to rule by) as not yet reigning. In fact, God has always ruled over all creation this way. His reign was (and is being) manifested by his Son.

As far as being taken home, we're already home. It just hasn't been changed yet.
 

ForestGreenCook

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No that's not correct. Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father waiting till His enemies be made His footstool. So many errors in your theology.

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Roger
Christ is the husband, and king, of his church, the kingdom of God, and we are his bride. Scriptures will harmonize with this truth. We worship him in Spirit and in truth.
 

ForestGreenCook

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I agree with you that there is no future 1000 years long reign after Jesus returns. People mistook the love and patience Jesus ruled by (and continues to rule by) as not yet reigning. In fact, God has always ruled over all creation this way. His reign was (and is being) manifested by his Son.

As far as being taken home, we're already home. It just hasn't been changed yet.
I appreciate your comments. Can you clarify your last sentence?
 

notuptome

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Christ is the husband, and king, of his church, the kingdom of God, and we are his bride. Scriptures will harmonize with this truth. We worship him in Spirit and in truth.
The church is not the kingdom of God.

Scriptures harmonize it is you that does not harmonize. You are a conglomeration of disconnected and unrelated religious ideas.

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Can you clarify your last sentence?
The Kingdom of God, or the Kingdom of Heaven is all around us. The entirety of it has no physical boundries. There is nowhere someone can physically walk to or fly to outside of it.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The Kingdom of God, or the Kingdom of Heaven is all around us. The entirety of it has no physical boundries. There is nowhere someone can physically walk to or fly to outside of it.
I understand. I think the scriptures say that it is within us.
 

Journeyman

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Luke 17:21, Neither shall they say, lo here, or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Yes, it's within, or as other translations describe it, among, or in our midst,

Even if I were hungry, I would not tell you, for the world and all it contains belong to me. Psa.50:12
 

brightfame52

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Christ death results in the salvation of those He died for, so much so, He is called the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Mine you, this is in the context of having tasted death for every man in Vs 9. Through and by His death, or His suffering unto death, He became the Captain of their Salvation, through tasting[experiencing] death. Now the word captain is the greek word archēgos and means:

the author, that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause

So by His sufferings, tasting death, He became the originator, the active cause, Captain of their Salvation. It was by this means the Father ordained many sons to Glory.

BTW the word captain is the same word author in Heb 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Christ is the author/source of our Faith. This would include the OT Saints that went before in Heb 11 as well. Christ their Mediator was the source of their faith.
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Christ's death also results in the damnation of those he died for,

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved Jn.3:17
 

brightfame52

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Christ's death also results in the damnation of those he died for,

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved Jn.3:17
Huh , thats heresy !
 

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Huh , thats heresy !
It's only heresy to those who do not believe that Jesus died for all sinners, as Jn.3:17 plainly says. But this is what happens when people do not truly understand why Jesus bore sinners spitting on him and other despicable sins committed against him.
 

posthuman

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Christ death results in the salvation of those He died for, so much so, He is called the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10
Hebrews 2:9 He tasted death for everyone.

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Reconciled by His death.
For those WHO BELIEVE we are saved by His life.
For those who do not believe, His death condemns them, because even though He died for their sake they reject Him, and in unbelief they will die in their sins.
 

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It's only heresy to those who do not believe that Jesus died for all sinners, as Jn.3:17 plainly says. But this is what happens when people do not truly understand why Jesus bore sinners spitting on him and other despicable sins committed against him.
You wont repent of your heresy will you ?
 

brightfame52

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Hebrews 2:9 He tasted death for everyone.

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Reconciled by His death.
For those WHO BELIEVE we are saved by His life.
For those who do not believe, His death condemns them, because even though He died for their sake they reject Him, and in unbelief they will die in their sins.
He tasted death for all He is the Captain of their Salvation. Thats what happens when He tastes death for someone, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation. Did you read post 811 carefully ?
 

posthuman

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He tasted death for all He is the Captain of their Salvation. Thats what happens when He tastes death for someone, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation. Did you read post 811 carefully ?
Did you read the Bible carefully?

Christ died for everyone.
Those who BELIEVE are saved.

It does not matter what you post. What matters is the truth.
 

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He tasted death for all He is the Captain of their Salvation. Thats what happens when He tastes death for someone, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation. Did you read post 811 carefully ?
Even when we have a clear verse against the false teaching of Calvinism it makes no difference for some .
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
 

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You wont repent of your heresy will you ?
It's clear that Jesus's purpose in continuing to love his enemies was so they might have a relationship with him. Of course, people who do not really love their enemies can't see this.