Repentance is the Gift Of God !

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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Nothing about a choice has been said, where did you read that?
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Nothing is said that its a exclusive gift either , as if it means God sprinkles ' repentance ' on frozen chosen people. No . It means Jews are granted to come recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit and then Gentiies can come recieve .
 
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brightfame52 said:
The word grant or give implies a gift.
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In the scriptures I posted, where do you find the word "grant" or "give?"

I think you are "adding to" scripture, or, simply misunderstand the whole concept of repentance
 
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I agree . So it means all Gentiies have been granted 'to come ' and recieve the Holy Spirit, through faith. He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent.
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No it doesnt mean that. It means some gentiles have been given repentance.
 
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Nothing is said that its a exclusive gift either , as if it means God sprinkles ' repentance ' on frozen chosen people. No . It means Jews are granted to come recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit and then Gentiies can come recieve .
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No it doesnt.
 
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p_rehbein said:
In the scriptures I posted, where do you find the word "grant" or "give?"

I think you are "adding to" scripture, or, simply misunderstand the whole concept of repentance
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Im talking about the scriptures I posted.
 
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brightfame52 said:
No it doesnt.
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Peter and the diciples realise repentence has been granted to THE gentiles ( whole ) when they see Cornelius recieve the Holy Spirit . They say ' Gentiles ' not ' some gentiles have recieved ' . Prior to this it was not lawful to go to the gentiles . So when they realise God has granted the Gentiles access they marvel .
 
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Granting repentance to the jew and gentile is talking about Gods grace.
A time to repent rather than judgement.
We live in a time of grace but it is soon to close.
God has granted the opportunity for all to repent.
 
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throughfaith said:
Peter and the diciples realise repentence has been granted to THE gentiles ( whole ) when they see Cornelius recieve the Holy Spirit . They say ' Gentiles ' not ' some gentiles have recieved ' . Prior to this it was not lawful to go to the gentiles . So when they realise God has granted the Gentiles access they marvel .
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Some gentiles have been granted repentance and some jews.
 
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pottersclay said:
Granting repentance to the jew and gentile is talking about Gods grace.
A time to repent rather than judgement.
We live in a time of grace but it is soon to close.
God has granted the opportunity for all to repent.
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Thats not what it means. When God gives repentance it causes the one its given to repent. To have a change of mind. Otherwise none would repent towards God.
 
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Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
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This is the only Scripture I can find that you posted that has the word "granted" in it.

I'm pretty sure you are not understanding it correctly. As I read this, "granted" means that AFTER the Gentiles "repented/turned to God" based on the Covenant of Grace, He granted/accepted them into His family as "adopted" children of the Promise. The repentance was not a "gift," Gods MERCY IS THE GIFT.

Could be wrong in the context that all things are a "gift" from God. Life, breath, thought, growth, happiness, and everything else........so, in that context, one can say that "repentance" is a gift from God I suppose.

However, in the 4th Chapter of Matthew when Jesus first preaches, He calls for man to "repent." This is something that man does, and while those who do not believe in free will will argue differently, he does of his own free will. Choosing to turn to God, to believe in Jesus and to become a child of God and an adopted heir to the Promise............

Anyway, my thoughts, God bless
 
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brightfame52 said:
Some gentiles have been granted repentance and some jews.
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With the way you use the bible ,you can make it say whatever you want .
Perhaps it says " some gentile men and no gentile women are granted repentence " ?
 
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This is the only Scripture I can find that you posted that has the word "granted" in it.

I'm pretty sure you are not understanding it correctly. As I read this, "granted" means that AFTER the Gentiles "repented/turned to God" based on the Covenant of Grace, He granted/accepted them into His family as "adopted" children of the Promise. The repentance was not a "gift," Gods MERCY IS THE GIFT.

Could be wrong in the context that all things are a "gift" from God. Life, breath, thought, growth, happiness, and everything else........so, in that context, one can say that "repentance" is a gift from God I suppose.

However, in the 4th Chapter of Matthew when Jesus first preaches, He calls for man to "repent." This is something that man does, and while those who do not believe in free will will argue differently, he does of his own free will. Choosing to turn to God, to believe in Jesus and to become a child of God and an adopted heir to the Promise............

Anyway, my thoughts, God bless
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Yes repentance is a gift to some.
 
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throughfaith said:
What does it say ? Don't you think God is capable of having written ' some ' ? Duh !
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It doesnt have to say some, God gives His servants a sound mind to compare spiritual things with spiritual things.
 
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brightfame52 said:
It doesnt have to say some, God gives His servants a sound mind to compare spiritual things with spiritual things.
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Make it up as you go hermanutic. If it doesn't say ' some ' don't add it . The bible isn't a riddle.
 
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