Does anyone know what the double slit experiment is? It might be pointing out that there is something greater than us.

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posthuman

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Made in sin doesn't make you a sinful person ..it just let's you interact with this fallen reality.
the scripture is filled to overflowing with instances of God, who is spirit, interacting with physical reality. not only God but His messengers and also Satan and his demons. all without being made flesh or otherwise tangible / physical
 
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For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

He knew no sin because he didn't get involved in the sins that are only available here (like: Pride, Lust, Greed, or Ego)
 

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For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Yes he took our sin on the cross.

Your issue is, how does God a perfectly Holy being create something with sin?
As you say He made Christ in sin.
 

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the sins that are only available here (like: Pride, Lust, Greed, or Ego)
hmm i have a couple questions about that..

how did Satan fall?
what is his sin?
where was he when sin was found in him? did Michael & his angels cast him out of heaven while he was sinless?
what's Satan made out of? is he flesh? is he spirit? what was he made out of when sin was found in him?
 

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Your issue is, how does God a perfectly Holy being create something with sin?
As you say He made Christ in sin.
not only that, but as has been pointed out since page 1, God made all of creation ((which happens to be physical)) and called it very good. how does God call sin very good?

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all creation was uncollapsed wave function until sin' let me point out that God put the sun and moon in the sky as clocks, to determine days and months and seasons and years. if they are unobserved/uncollapsed, then they have no locality - so how do you tell time with them? how does He set them in a location in the sky if they have no location or existence, only being abstract constructs in a probability space? how do we tell time by them without observing them, since observation collapses wave functions?
i find that untenable, Joe. :unsure:
 

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Made in sin doesn't make you a sinful person ..it just let's you interact with this fallen reality.
So God has to be sin in order to interact with this reality?

How can you explain both the Father and the Spirit interacting with this dimension if according to you, they have to be sin?

This by definition is saying God is sin, therefore not God, since God Himself says Sin is the opposite of Him.
 
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Yes he took our sin on the cross.

Your issue is, how does God a perfectly Holy being create something with sin?
As you say He made Christ in sin.
Mary was without Sin ..but she was made of this fallen place.
 
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So God has to be sin in order to interact with this reality?

How can you explain both the Father and the Spirit interacting with this dimension if according to you, they have to be sin?

This by definition is saying God is sin, therefore not God, since God Himself says Sin is the opposite of Him.
Jesus had to die as a physical man.
 
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hmm i have a couple questions about that..

how did Satan fall?
what is his sin?
where was he when sin was found in him? did Michael & his angels cast him out of heaven while he was sinless?
what's Satan made out of? is he flesh? is he spirit? what was he made out of when sin was found in him?
Satan didn't eat from the tree to fall.
 

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Mary was without Sin ..but she was made of this fallen place.
Mary had sin. She was human not God.

She was chosen due to her love of God and her generations, not because she was without sin.

If the requirements were without sin, no human could have been used.
 
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not only that, but as has been pointed out since page 1, God made all of creation ((which happens to be physical)) and called it very good. how does God call sin very good?

@pittsburghjoe before you say 'all creation was uncollapsed wave function until sin' let me point out that God put the sun and moon in the sky as clocks, to determine days and months and seasons and years. if they are unobserved/uncollapsed, then they have no locality - so how do you tell time with them? how does He set them in a location in the sky if they have no location or existence, only being abstract constructs in a probability space? how do we tell time by them without observing them, since observation collapses wave functions?
i find that untenable, Joe. :unsure:
You know how there is an unobservable side to QM? Well, imagine you could observe it.
 
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Mary had sin. She was human not God.

She was chosen due to her love of God and her generations, not because she was without sin.

If the requirements were without sin, no human could have been used.
Whoops, you are right. I wonder if no human could be without sin because of the environment they are in.
 

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Whoops, you are right. I wonder if no human could be without sin because of the environment they are in.
Mary had a human father.
Jesus had God as His only father.
Nephlim have angles (fallen).

We can know by this the lineage of sin is passed down by the father.
 

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Mary was without Sin ..but she was made of this fallen place.
Adam was created without sin and he was made of dust.
spirit was added to him and he became a living soul.

man has spiritual and physical components. we're not '
only one' and not the other.

we who believe will be bodily resurrected just as Christ was. we'll be able to eat fish and drink wine. to touch and feel. we were created to have physical and spiritual components, and in the resurrection when we are perfected in Him we will continue to have physical and spiritual components.

i think Christ's resurrection throws an enormous wrench in your theology, don't you?
 

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You know how there is an unobservable side to QM? Well, imagine you could observe it.
You can observe it, for instance even though we did not perceive the elctron we can study the interference pattern and know its qualities.
 
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Mary had a human father.
Jesus had God as His only father.
Nephlim have angles (fallen).

We can know by this the lineage of sin is passed down by the father.
Weird how the environment started with the original sin of Adam
 

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You know how there is an unobservable side to QM? Well, imagine you could observe it.
there's not an unobservable side to QM.
there's just our inability to be the one to observe it.

God sees things below the Plank length. if He didn't they would not exist. observation imputes existence; that's the lesson of QM.
 
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You can observe it, for instance even though we did not perceive the elctron we can study the interference pattern and know its qualities.
No, you can only observe after it completed its flight.
 

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Weird how the environment started with the original sin of Adam
Not the environment.

You are doing now what's called red herring.

The only things that changed with the fall was.

Death entered, sin entered, and we lost our connection to God.

With Jesus's perfect life He gave us our connection back via the Holy Spirit, eternal death has been conquered but our flesh must still die.