Does anyone know what the double slit experiment is? It might be pointing out that there is something greater than us.

[posthuman]

Weird how the environment started with the original sin of Adam

i think you mean "untrue" that the environment started with Adam's sin. Adam was made out of that environment.

have you observed that there's a couple people here with an understanding of QM and others with understanding of scripture and none of them agree with your premise? what do you think of that?
i'm quite used to being in the minority with many of my views here in ChristianChat. but when i am a minority of one and literally no one thinks i may be right, i've learned to start examining myself.

 

[posthuman]

No, you can only observe after it completed its flight.

just a refresher:

we can't observe both the location and the velocity of an electron simultaneously with precision. the precision is limited by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, because the way we observe things is through bouncing photons off them ((or something similar)), and that changes the position or velocity.

we can observe either with absolute precision, just not both at the same time.


. . . but God can.

 

[T_Laurich]

No, you can only observe after it completed its flight.

Delayed double slit is observing before the completion of the"flight".

 

[posthuman]

Not the environment.

You are doing now what's called red herring.

The only things that changed with the fall was.

Death entered, sin entered, and we lost our connection to God.

With Jesus's perfect life He gave us our connection back via the Holy Spirit, eternal death has been conquered but our flesh must still die.

it's just an opinion, not something i can prove or be dogmatic about, but i do believe entropy in the universe began with God cursing the ground for Adam's sake. i think that's why the solar & lunar cycle aren't concurrent; why 12 months isn't equal to one year. i think they used to be, but the orbits have decayed. i think the universe was originally created without decay.

so there's evidence of sin in creation. the sun and the moon. and also there's death -- the earth is covered with death, trillions and trillions of corpses. we don't need some pseudo-science gnostic misinterpretation of QM to show the world that the current state of creation is evidence of sin. there's evidence everywhere

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There are final panels in that experiment. Entangled particles collapse each other.

 

[T_Laurich]

it's just an opinion, not something i can prove or be dogmatic about, but i do believe entropy began with God cursing the ground for Adam's sake. i think that's why the solar & lunar cycle aren't concurrent; why 12 months isn't equal to one year. i think they used to be, but the orbits have decayed.

so there's evidence of sin in creation. the sun and the moon. and also there's death -- the earth is covered with death, trillions and trillions of corpses. we don't need some pseudo-science gnostic misinterpretation of QM to show the would that the current state of creation is evidence of sin. there's evidence everywhere

I believe the orbits changed with Joshua's long day.

But just as animals die without sinning, our sin caused the death of everything.

I believe the curse of the ground is literally that God made the ground less fertile.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

it's just an opinion, not something i can prove or be dogmatic about, but i do believe entropy in the universe began with God cursing the ground for Adam's sake. i think that's why the solar & lunar cycle aren't concurrent; why 12 months isn't equal to one year. i think they used to be, but the orbits have decayed. i think the universe was originally created without decay.

so there's evidence of sin in creation. the sun and the moon. and also there's death -- the earth is covered with death, trillions and trillions of corpses. we don't need some pseudo-science gnostic misinterpretation of QM to show the world that the current state of creation is evidence of sin. there's evidence everywhere

Insult me all you want. You still don't have an answer to this:

For our sake he made him to be sin

 

[T_Laurich]

Insult me all you want. You still don't have an answer to this:

For our sake he made him to be sin

I have said it multiple times.

On the cross Christ became sin.

Not until the Cross did Christ sweat blood in fear of what was coming.

 

[posthuman]

Whoops, you are right. I wonder if no human could be without sin because of the environment they are in.

you know how in Hebrews the author makes the argument that the priesthood of Melchizedek is greater than the priesthood of Levi, because Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to Melchizedek, and he says, Levi was in Abraham's loins? Hebrews 7:10?

well, we were all in Adam's loins. we're all made of him. we're parts of him. all mankind is Adam in variations, having multiplied.
he sinned, his wife sinned, and we were in him, in her - and she was made of him, too. death entered him, and it entered us in him.

as Paul wrote - "in Adam all die" ((1 Cor. 15:22))

that's how. so we have to be born again; that's the only way to be saved. to become a new creation in the Last Adam

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You act like he said "Okay, I'll be sin now"

 

[T_Laurich]

You act like he said "Okay, I'll be sin now"

No, He lived perfectly even on the cross, for as Satan said, the angels could save Him at any time.


With the completion of a perfect life He has become the creation in which He originally intended and now owns the earth and us.

When He breaks the seals He is reclaiming the earth.

He was never sin or sinful. The term He became sin means He took our sin upon Him by buying us with His perfect life.

Just as if I bought another man's debt and payed it in full, I was never in debt, but I took his debt upon me.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Of course he died for our sins, but there isn't something that says he couldn't be made of sin the whole time.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[posthuman]

Insult me all you want. You still don't have an answer to this:

For our sake he made him to be sin

this isn't about you; it's about the ideas you're putting out. we're comparing them with scripture and with physics. the idea that physical reality = evil is clearly a well known classical gnostic heresy, there seem to be a lot of problems with how you're treating QM apart from the spiritualizing, and the implications of a lot of the ideas you've been telling us about run afoul of scripture.
so -- i'm not insulting you i'm doing honest analysis and the comment i made is justified by data.

sorry you were offended but hey i happen to have physics degrees and analysis is what i do for a living. just evaluating the content, dude. no worries. i don't want to insult you. i want to arrive at the truth and i want to critically evaluate ideas.

 

[T_Laurich]

Of course he died for our sins, but there isn't something that says he couldn't be made of sin the whole time.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Yes, the requirements for the seals are a life without sin.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No, He lived perfectly even on the cross, for as Satan said, the angels could save Him at any time.


With the completion of a perfect life He has become the creation in which He originally intended and now owns the earth and us.

When He breaks the seals He is reclaiming the earth.

He was never sin or sinful. The term He became sin means He took our sin upon Him by buying us with His perfect life.

Just as if I bought another man's debt and payed it in full, I was never in debt, but I took his debt upon me.

Made of sin means, made of this environment ..not that He had sin in his heart.

 

[T_Laurich]

Made of sin means, made of this environment ..not that He had sin in his heart.

God created this world and said it was Good.

Nothing changed with the world, the ownership of the world was changed from us to Satan.

 

[posthuman]

Insult me all you want. You still don't have an answer to this:

For our sake he made him to be sin

i have an answer to that i just haven't given it yet.

that's a reference to Him laying down His life, dying for everyone and bearing the sins of all who put their trust in Him. it's not a reference to His incarnation. in Luke 1:35 the incarnate, embryonic Jesus is called "the holy thing" -- God doesn't call sin holy. there is a reason He was born of a virgin, and the interpretation you're giving for 2 Cor. 5:21 leaves no room for that.

 

[posthuman]

Made of sin means, made of this environment ..not that He had sin in his heart.

a sacrifice with a blemish is not an acceptable sacrifice.
"learn to speak Leviticus" as my pastor is fond of saying

he talks about quantum mechanics, a lot

 

[T_Laurich]

God created this world and said it was Good.

Nothing changed with the world, the ownership of the world was changed from us to Satan.

To explain, nothing changed with the world in terms of laws and the way it functions.

What changed is death entered all systems and without the Creator it is now finite.

The earth is not sin, man is sin. And since we were given dominion and passed it to Satan now this world is fallen.

But Christ is now the rightful owner by living without sin perfectly

 

[Lynx]

All I know is, Schrodinger would have an enuretic fit about this thread (but only if he noticed his pants were wet.)