Calvinists are preaching a false message .
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1 Peter 3:21
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
I wonder why they would mention "filth of the flesh, or dirt of the body" if they did not have questions in the early church as of why they had to be cleaned with water.
Furthermore, nothing says the Thief got saved on the Cross.... It is an attribute we put on the story due to a belief that Christians cannot commit crimes. He went to Paradise with Christ, it says nothing about the date of His salvation.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
I wonder why they would mention "filth of the flesh, or dirt of the body" if they did not have questions in the early church as of why they had to be cleaned with water.
Furthermore, nothing says the Thief got saved on the Cross.... It is an attribute we put on the story due to a belief that Christians cannot commit crimes. He went to Paradise with Christ, it says nothing about the date of His salvation.
Yes we shouldn't forbid it. Especially since they have ALREADY recieved the Holy spirit .Prior to this Peter and the apostles were not preaching to gentiles . It was not lawful to do so . So it was a big surprise to them when the gentiles received the Holy Spirit also . They could not forbid saved gentiles that have recieved the Holy spirit( baptised ) to be dunked in water ( baptised)
People before Christs death, and even birth had received the Holy Spirit.
But Christ says in John 3:5 it is both water and spirit necessary for salvation.
We also know faith without works is dead. So don't try saying "you are saying a work saves you" no, just as declaration that Christ is God saves us so does water.
So what we have here, are multiple verses that say, you need baptism of water to be saved. But you guys cling to verses that don't mention water specifically only baptism, and the assumption that the thief was not already saved.
But Christ says in John 3:5 it is both water and spirit necessary for salvation.
We also know faith without works is dead. So don't try saying "you are saying a work saves you" no, just as declaration that Christ is God saves us so does water.
So what we have here, are multiple verses that say, you need baptism of water to be saved. But you guys cling to verses that don't mention water specifically only baptism, and the assumption that the thief was not already saved.
Not so . The unique experience of the INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit ,sealing UNTO the day of redemption never happened prior to the resurrection.
John 7 .
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was NOT YET GIVEN ; because that Jesus was NOT YET glorified.)
John 7 .
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was NOT YET GIVEN ; because that Jesus was NOT YET glorified.)
I can show you multiple verses where it says do not pray or talk to the dead, so I can show you why you should not talk to Mary.
You claim baptism is not necessary for salvation, why does Christ claim it is?
John 3:5 says Water and Spirit. When they found out they had not been baptized, what did they do? Command them to be baptized. (Obviously its not a trivial matter).
So since, Christ claims baptism is necessary, nd your only way out of providing a verse is "talking to the dead isn't in the bible"....
Why can you not show me a single verse? And why can I show you multiple verses?
You claim baptism is not necessary for salvation, why does Christ claim it is?
John 3:5 says Water and Spirit. When they found out they had not been baptized, what did they do? Command them to be baptized. (Obviously its not a trivial matter).
So since, Christ claims baptism is necessary, nd your only way out of providing a verse is "talking to the dead isn't in the bible"....
Why can you not show me a single verse? And why can I show you multiple verses?