Matthew 6:14-15

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KingdomBrat

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People were saved through Paul's message prior to the completion of the scriptures. The Gospel of Grace . Which I have a suspicion you may not know ? Its Paul who is given the revelation by Jesus that s not revealed prior to Paul . So if you are ruling Paul's words your disobeying God just as if they would have done by ignoring moses . God has always used a spokesman. Paul being the primary to the Church .
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No, Paul evangelized the Words of Christ. And within that we have clearer meaning. But the Disciples also evangelized and the Gospel by word of mouth was spreading. And when we look at the Gospels, we have 3 Disciples view (Book of Mark was spoken in Aramaic by Peter to his Disciple Mark who wrote the words down in Greek)(Church Father's explain this to us) and we have Luke's version. Those 4 versions are more than enough to be secure in the Gospel of Christ. Thankfully, we have 27 Books in the New Testament and each one broadens our knowledge of God.
 
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No, Paul evangelized the Words of Christ. And within that we have clearer meaning. But the Disciples also evangelized and the Gospel by word of mouth was spreading. And when we look at the Gospels, we have 3 Disciples view (Book of Mark was spoken in Aramaic by Peter to his Disciple Mark who wrote the words down in Greek)(Church father's explain this to us) and we have Luke's version. Those 4 versions are more than enough to be secure in the Gospel of Christ. Thankfully, we have 27 Books in the New Testament and each one broadens our knowledge of God.
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That is false as the disciples were not preaching the same Gospel as given to Paul prior Mathew 27 .Thats a clear fact. Even after Mathew 27 they initially deny the resurrection.
 
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That is false as the disciples were not preaching the same Gospel as given to Paul prior Mathew 27 .Thats a clear fact. Even after Mathew 27 they initially deny the resurrection.
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No, everyone is preaching the Gospel here. Paul is just clarifying the Gospel in detail we understand it's [Grace]. What God accomplished on the Cross is both [Mercy to the Jew] and [Grace to us all Jew/Gentile]. It's the Gospel!
 
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No, everyone is preaching the Gospel here. Paul is just clarifying the Gospel in detail we understand it's [Grace]. What God accomplished on the Cross is both [Mercy to the Jew] and [Grace to us all Jew/Gentile]. It's the Gospel!
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Show me where they are preaching the same gospel as Paul ( 1 cor 15 ,1-4 ) prior to Mathew 27 please?
 
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No he gave justification for his point .
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My point still stands!

The Sermon on the Mount IS for the Christian, and any denial of that is simply infantile cherry picking!

Anything that the (redeemed) Jews in the Millennium need to know God will give them then!
 
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Show me where they are preaching the same gospel as Paul ( 1 cor 15 ,1-4 ) prior to Mathew 27 please?
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Aren't they all preaching, [Christ: Death-Burial-Resurrection]?
Even Paul preaches this much.
What do you think the Gospel is all about?
It's the [Good News].
 
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My point still stands!

The Sermon on the Mount IS for the Christian, and any denial of that is simply infantile cherry picking!

Anything that the (redeemed) Jews in the Millennium need to know God will give them then!
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What if the jews recieved their messiah then ? Was Jesus not making a genuine appeal ?
 
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KingdomBrat said:
Aren't they all preaching, [Christ: Death-Burial-Resurrection]?
Even Paul preaches this much.
What do you think the Gospel is all about?
It's the [Good News].
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Then you will have no trouble quoting a verse where the diciples are preaching the same Gospel as Paul prior to the death ,burial and resurrection. Especially in light of luke 18 .34 .
 
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Then you will have no trouble quoting a verse where the diciples are preaching the same Gospel as Paul prior to the death ,burial and resurrection. Especially in light of luke 18 .34 .
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The Disciples had no need to recognize Paul because they had God Himself to be their example in the flesh. They preached the [experience] of being with Christ every day. Paul's message could never be the same. But both are still founded upon Christ: Him Living, Him Crucified, Him Buried, Him Resurrecting. Paul's message also spent more in the purpose of breaking down the traps of the [LAW].
 
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The Disciples had no need to recognize Paul because they had God Himself to be their example in the flesh. They preached the [experience] of being with Christ every day. Paul's message could never be the same. But both are still founded upon Christ: Him Living, Him Crucified, Him Buried, Him Resurrecting. Paul's message also spent more in the purpose of breaking down the traps of the [LAW].
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Luke 18

31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they UNDERSTOOD NONE of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Could you explain verse 34 please. Bare in mind they have been preaching ' the gospel ' prior to this.
 
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Paul is not my Lord and Savior to begin with.
In fact, if what Paul wrote [never] made it to the New Testament, following the Words of God in the flesh is more than enough to be secure in my Salvation.
Paul just clarifies, he is not Gospel, that's what Christ's Words are.
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Paul’s words are just as valid as the words of Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, red letters and black.
 
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Denying that it's for the Christian is a rather infantile way of justifying your need to apply it to your life!

"Right oh (says he), lets just pick and choose what suits me!"
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We are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth to assure correct doctrine. Do you go to an earthly priest? Why not? Jesus commanded it did he not?
 
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KingdomBrat said:
Aren't they all preaching, [Christ: Death-Burial-Resurrection]?
Even Paul preaches this much.
What do you think the Gospel is all about?
It's the [Good News].
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The disciples were clueless about the cross before it occurred. The truth of the gospel was hid from them. They preached the kingdom gospel before the cross, the truth of Jesus’ earthly Jewish kingdom come to earth and Israel being restored.
 
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Luke 18

31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they UNDERSTOOD NONE of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Could you explain verse 34 please. Bare in mind they have been preaching ' the gospel ' prior to this.
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They haven't Preached His Death-Burial-Resurrection yet. But we know they will.
 
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Paul’s words are just as valid as the words of Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, red letters and black.
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I am not even arguing that.
My entire point is this.
If we only had the Gospels, no contributions from Paul and others, just the 4 Gospels.. we would still be as Saved with understanding what Paul has added and clarified.
 
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John146 said:
The disciples were clueless about the cross before it occurred. The truth of the gospel was hid from them. They preached the kingdom gospel before the cross, the truth of Jesus’ earthly Jewish kingdom come to earth and Israel being restored.
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Matthew 28, when Christ tells the Disciples to go forth and make converts teaching the Gospel, they knew it then. I never spoke concerning before this moment in their ministries.
 
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KingdomBrat said:
I am not even arguing that.
My entire point is this.
If we only had the Gospels, no contributions from Paul and others, just the 4 Gospels.. we would still be as Saved with understanding what Paul has added and clarified.
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Can you post scripture to clarify your position? Thanks. Remember, the gospel is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
 
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Can you post scripture to clarify your position? Thanks. Remember, the gospel is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
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That's a narrow window you picture of your viewpoint of the Gospel. It's roughly about the entire life of Christ's Ministry, not just the final moments of it.
 
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