Holocaust Memorial Day 2021

[iamsoandso]

Well before this memorial day has passed I would like to at least leave an memorial to my loved ones and to all those whom time cannot forget. iamsoandso of the family Van Naardan of Naarden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naarden I still know that naar means boy or youth and that dam means blood. I know that many of my family members were sent to Bergen-Belsen from Auschwitz but when I tried to find any other information there was none or there was too much to find when we looked https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how-many-concentration-camps I was a boy then so I never met you but I know you were there regardless of who says you were not. I will not forget you.

 

[CS1]

The thing that first got me interested in researching about the holocaust was when I found out that it's ILLEGAL to question the official narrative about it in many countries. They literally send little old ladies to prison in Europe for this sort of thought crime. The truth doesn't need a law to defend it, so that's when I first started to suspect that the official story was another lie. That's what got me started looking into the subject. And from there I did enough research to let me to make a much more informed decision about what I believe and why.

So if you want more people to look into it and discover how fake it is, then by all means, censor free speech! The better option, if you're seeking truth, would be to just do your research and draw your conclusions, and let others do the same. If anyone is interested in truth on this subject, then I'd recommend looking into what I said and see if it's true. Then go from there.

The idea that you are providing your truth and those who disagree due to lack of proof or the information given was from a well-known bias entity is "censor free speech!" , is ridiculous.

 

[CS1]

Bunk?

Here's Rosenblatt explaining why he lied. Check it out.
https://archive.org/details/herman-rosenblatt-explains-why-he-lied

Do you actually believe Eli Wiesel when he said that there were geysers of blood spurting out of the ground for months? Really??

Or do you think there really were killer masturbation machines and lampshades made of skin?

The Germans were fighting a two front war. How much resources do you think they were inclined to divert from the war effort in order to masturbate a bunch of jews to death?

Use your brain. I know you've got one. You're just wrong on this because of years and years of brainwashing. I used to think exactly like you're thinking now. But my eyes were opened and I saw the truth. Dare to research it just a bit.

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I think you are really been deceived. IF you have been to the Holocaust museum which there are a number of them. Your display of

Antisemitism which, is prejudice against or hatred of Jews. is very much unacceptable here. You need to stop or you need to go.

 

[kaylagrl]

Ok, boomer. So you would side with anti-christians against a fellow Christian? I trust Jesus as my lord and savior. What exactly do your precious jews think about Jesus? Their whole identity is wrapped around being anti-christ.

Like duuude have you ever read a Bible? Like, ever?! Romans 11, Jews have been blinded, for a time. They will one day recognize their Messiah. Meanwhile the Bible says those who curses them will be cursed. So yeah, you're under a curse as much as you like to think they are. Good luck with that man.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Writing to the Christians in Rome; the apostle Paul said:

"Share with God's people who are in need." (Rom 12:13)

The Jews are God's people in accordance with an unconditional covenant
that He made with Abraham. (Gen 17:7-8)

Nazi Germany was very nearly 99% Christian. Had they all complied with
Rom 12:13, the effects of the Holocaust would've no doubt been greatly
reduced.
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[iamsoandso]

So, collectively, the Jews destroyed their own businesses, put themselves in ghettos, shipped themselves to concentration camps tattooed themselves, and then murdered themselves? Quite a conspiracy theory there.

Don't think that I'm defending surfer by this he seems to be a textbook holocaust denier.

Everyone has a type of payoff in this I think but it's a very touchy subject. Some think that It's not real or overblown(I don't know why,or how) when everything in history shows that it took place. Anyway though some see it as if this happened because they broke the OT commandments others don't and then there's a whole lot of other views on this.

I think that at times we should put ourselves in the other peoples shoes and look at it and think "whats the payoff?" when people say things. I notice that everyone defends the issues about/of the holocaust dependent of something or someone in their life. I say something because some see this from their position in eschatology and as if it's a fulfillment of prophecy and they need it to provide proof of how they believe. Others argue against it I suppose because they need to disprove it so that they can support their position in eschatology. There's probably many others I'm leaving out of this.

I'm saying this about "someone" because of your post(I agree with it) because like you said they didn't do those things to themselves that you named off it was the Nazi's who saw them as sub-humans and so to them "someone in their family" had this done to them. So it only stands to reason that the Jews would have a "pay-off" in arguing that they were treated this way and I agree that we should help them in showing the truth of their murders and mistreatment.

In another post you said that the Jews don't want pity(loosely quoting you) and I'm not asking for pity ether but instead just to have people "stand in my shoes for a second". As you all know I keep pointing out "the others" and asking that they also not be forgotten. I think there's a type of "hidden issue" that will probably never go away if it's not not addressed because just as well as the families of 6 million Jews are looking for answers about their family members there's also the 11+million "others" looking for answers about theirs.

Again I'm not looking for pity but just that everyone see my own pay-off in this(look at it from my point). I looked at this real deep trying to find answers of "someone"(my own family members) who died in the holocaust and without giving much personal detail I'll just briefly say that the last thing we know was that they were in Bergen-Belsen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp and from other research that they had been transferred from Auschwitz sometime at the end of the war and there was fourteen thousand(a little over half were Jews and the rest "others"..see "I Germany and Austria" paragraph 2 in E.G. Harrison's report) https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...he-treatment-of-displaced-jews-september-1945

Anyway though though I'm not asking for pity for my own self but I needed to point out something I realize about these type threads that's painful. I notice that in the last four pages when I tried to show the "others" people said they were offended, they gave thumbs down or the red X ect. or explained why the holocaust was Jewish but they realized others were also killed. If we put ourselves in their shoes(the ones looking for their families answers) then their being told "shhhh,I disagree.no,,,thumbs down ect." and not being included in the holocaust remembrance.

I wont let myself be offended by these type reactions but it needs to be said that this is 76 years after ww2 and these people did not want their businesses wrecked,to be tattooed or put in concentration camps ect... They were called sub-humans also and starved and are buried in the same mass graves. If you put yourselves in their shoes they were told in ww2 they sub-humans and now 76 years later they are not equal to remembrance in the holocaust as if they actually are sub-humans? I cannot see how it is so offensive to anyone that my family is not worthy to be included but I meet with objection every time I mention "the others". From what I have found my family wore the badge of disgrace "race defilers" in that they were half Hebrew and half Dutch sub-humans not even worthy of remembrance for being ranked below another race.

 

[Blik]

Thanks for bring up that the Jews are under the new covenant. 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

In God's eyes we are all humans, his children. The only thing that sets Jews apart is that they were made the caretakers of the word when the gentiles rejected God and worshipped idols, so they are given special blessings as a thanks for that.

 

[iamsoandso]

Thanks for bring up that the Jews are under the new covenant. 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

In God's eyes we are all humans, his children. The only thing that sets Jews apart is that they were made the caretakers of the word when the gentiles rejected God and worshipped idols, so they are given special blessings as a thanks for that.

Yes but you have to stand in everyone's shoes you see because as Christians were seeing this and thinking that since we believe that Jesus is the Messiah and he's already come then he has given the NC. On the other hand those who follow Judaism and do not believe Jesus is the Messiah are still waiting for the Messiah and so they believe that Daniel 2:44 https://biblehub.com/daniel/2-44.htm has not been fulfilled yet. So to them they see and think that they are still under the old covenant and that Isaiah 60 is what happens when they are gathered back to Israel and when their Messiah comes (look close at verse 12) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 60&version=KJV

 

[Journeyman]

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One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?

To find an answer to that question one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7,
Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews,
as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that
their ancestors agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
and Deuteronomy.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end
of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only
unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to
lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the
agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the
scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill
too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant
accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses. Anybody
who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own
people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite
cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list
are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize
they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' history.

The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
proud of; but rather, something to fear because the covenant's God is not
the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses' people
run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles because of
their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were given of His
likes and dislikes.

• Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O
children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)
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Hello WebbersHome.
A good NT view of the OT concerning this subject can be found in Heb.12:3-11.

 

[Webers.Home]

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A good NT view of the OT concerning this subject can be found in Heb.12:3-11.

N/A (Not Applicable)

Nebuchadnezzar and the Holocaust were not disciplinary actions; they were
punitive.

BTW: Webers.Home is spelled with only one B, not two.
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[surfer14]

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I think you are really been deceived. IF you have been to the Holocaust museum which there are a number of them. Your display of

Antisemitism which, is prejudice against or hatred of Jews. is very much unacceptable here. You need to stop or you need to go.

Everything is anti-semitic.
If I don't buy into the 6 million, I'm an anti-semite.
If I thought "Passion of the Christ" was a good movie, I'm an anti-semite.
If I'm a fan of Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, I'm an anti-semite.
I would think that all protestants could be considered anti-semitic since they follow after Martin Luther.
I even read today about how some people are seeing the Gamestop stock price jump as anti-semitic.

My favorite verse is John 14:6.
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Is that verse anti-semitic too?

 

[kaylagrl]

Everything is anti-semitic.
If I don't buy into the 6 million, I'm an anti-semite.
If I thought "Passion of the Christ" was a good movie, I'm an anti-semite.
If I'm a fan of Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, I'm an anti-semite.
I would think that all protestants could be considered anti-semitic since they follow after Martin Luther.
I even read today about how some people are seeing the Gamestop stock price jump as anti-semitic.

My favorite verse is John 14:6.
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Is that verse anti-semitic too?

Well it was said by a Jew sooo... apparently the only one you liked. Romans 11, Jews are still the chosen people. Curse them you're bringing a curse on yourself. Like I said, good luck with that.

 

[surfer14]

Well it was said by a Jew sooo... apparently the only one you liked. Romans 11, Jews are still the chosen people. Curse them you're bringing a curse on yourself. Like I said, good luck with that.

Kayla,
You posted this response to mine just 7 minutes after I posted. Obviously you didn't give much thought to what I said. You're sounding like some kind of NPC that just defaults to "orange man bad!" whenever you try to talk to them. I know you're not dumb, but you are being intellectually lazy here.

So let me show you...I gather you think that Romans 11 puts me under a curse. I just reread it. I THINK I see the verse you're talking about, but please tell me which verse(s) you think put me under curse. Also please give me some explanation as to why you think that.

I will certainly do some study based on whatever you tell me. It might take a few days so give me until Monday, and I'll write a response. Who knows - maybe I'll change my mind? (It's happened many, many times over the years) In the meantime, do a little investigation into some of the items I brought up for consideration. I'll be interested to hear what you have to say after you actually do some research on it.

 

[Journeyman]

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N/A (Not Applicable)

Nebuchadnezzar and the Holocaust were not disciplinary actions; they were
punitive.

To the born again, all such action is disciplinary,

when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 1Cor.11:32

Even our dear Savior who needed no correction was disciplined by the Father as an example to us.

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BTW: Webers.Home is spelled with only one B, not two.
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Apology.

 

[CS1]

Everything is anti-semitic.
If I don't buy into the 6 million, I'm an anti-semite.
If I thought "Passion of the Christ" was a good movie, I'm an anti-semite.
If I'm a fan of Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, I'm an anti-semite.
I would think that all protestants could be considered anti-semitic since they follow after Martin Luther.
I even read today about how some people are seeing the Gamestop stock price jump as anti-semitic.

My favorite verse is John 14:6.
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Is that verse anti-semitic too?

no one has said that. You are caught between PC and truth. That is the issue.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kayla,
You posted this response to mine just 7 minutes after I posted. Obviously you didn't give much thought to what I said. You're sounding like some kind of NPC that just defaults to "orange man bad!" whenever you try to talk to them. I know you're not dumb, but you are being intellectually lazy here.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm not a spring chicken. I've heard and seen denials of the Holocaust before. But none of these objections outweigh the evidence that we have. We have first hand evidence, in those that lived through that horror. And not just from Jewish people. We have eye witness accounts. We have evidence that was meticulously written down. People we marched through the camps after they were liberated to see just what had happened there so they could not later deny what happened. So don't assume that you are the only "intellectual" here. I'm an avid reader and I research before I make a comment.

So let me show you...I gather you think that Romans 11 puts me under a curse. I just reread it. I THINK I see the verse you're talking about, but please tell me which verse(s) you think put me under curse. Also please give me some explanation as to why you think that.

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Gen. 12:3

I will certainly do some study based on whatever you tell me. It might take a few days so give me until Monday, and I'll write a response. Who knows - maybe I'll change my mind? (It's happened many, many times over the years) In the meantime, do a little investigation into some of the items I brought up for consideration. I'll be interested to hear what you have to say after you actually do some research on it.

There is a movie called "The Hiding Place". You can find it for free on Youtube, though you may have to watch it in pieces. Corrie Ten Boom, not even a Jew. She was a Dutch Christian woman who was sent to Ravensbrück concentration camp, along with her sister for sheltering Jews. It is her testimony of what happened. She lived through the Holocaust and continued to give her testimony around the world. She was given the metal I spoke of before, Righteous Among the Nations".

 

[kaylagrl]

Don't think that I'm defending surfer by this he seems to be a textbook holocaust denier.

Everyone has a type of payoff in this I think but it's a very touchy subject. Some think that It's not real or overblown(I don't know why,or how) when everything in history shows that it took place. Anyway though some see it as if this happened because they broke the OT commandments others don't and then there's a whole lot of other views on this.

I think that at times we should put ourselves in the other peoples shoes and look at it and think "whats the payoff?" when people say things. I notice that everyone defends the issues about/of the holocaust dependent of something or someone in their life. I say something because some see this from their position in eschatology and as if it's a fulfillment of prophecy and they need it to provide proof of how they believe. Others argue against it I suppose because they need to disprove it so that they can support their position in eschatology. There's probably many others I'm leaving out of this.

I'm saying this about "someone" because of your post(I agree with it) because like you said they didn't do those things to themselves that you named off it was the Nazi's who saw them as sub-humans and so to them "someone in their family" had this done to them. So it only stands to reason that the Jews would have a "pay-off" in arguing that they were treated this way and I agree that we should help them in showing the truth of their murders and mistreatment.

In another post you said that the Jews don't want pity(loosely quoting you) and I'm not asking for pity ether but instead just to have people "stand in my shoes for a second". As you all know I keep pointing out "the others" and asking that they also not be forgotten. I think there's a type of "hidden issue" that will probably never go away if it's not not addressed because just as well as the families of 6 million Jews are looking for answers about their family members there's also the 11+million "others" looking for answers about theirs.

Again I'm not looking for pity but just that everyone see my own pay-off in this(look at it from my point). I looked at this real deep trying to find answers of "someone"(my own family members) who died in the holocaust and without giving much personal detail I'll just briefly say that the last thing we know was that they were in Bergen-Belsen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp and from other research that they had been transferred from Auschwitz sometime at the end of the war and there was fourteen thousand(a little over half were Jews and the rest "others"..see "I Germany and Austria" paragraph 2 in E.G. Harrison's report) https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...he-treatment-of-displaced-jews-september-1945

Anyway though though I'm not asking for pity for my own self but I needed to point out something I realize about these type threads that's painful. I notice that in the last four pages when I tried to show the "others" people said they were offended, they gave thumbs down or the red X ect. or explained why the holocaust was Jewish but they realized others were also killed. If we put ourselves in their shoes(the ones looking for their families answers) then their being told "shhhh,I disagree.no,,,thumbs down ect." and not being included in the holocaust remembrance.

I wont let myself be offended by these type reactions but it needs to be said that this is 76 years after ww2 and these people did not want their businesses wrecked,to be tattooed or put in concentration camps ect... They were called sub-humans also and starved and are buried in the same mass graves. If you put yourselves in their shoes they were told in ww2 they sub-humans and now 76 years later they are not equal to remembrance in the holocaust as if they actually are sub-humans? I cannot see how it is so offensive to anyone that my family is not worthy to be included but I meet with objection every time I mention "the others". From what I have found my family wore the badge of disgrace "race defilers" in that they were half Hebrew and half Dutch sub-humans not even worthy of remembrance for being ranked below another race.

When I speak of the Holocaust I am speaking of all who suffered and perished during that time. As I just posted, Corrie Ten Boom lost her entire family in the Holocaust, and they were not Jews. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who wrote The Cost of Discipleship, was a German and a Christian, who also lost his life in the Holocaust. He actively spoke out against Hitler and the Nazis and lost his life for it. @ Surfer there is another name for you to research. Irena Stanisława Sendler saved babies from the Holocaust, she was Polish. So I think you are mistaken when you think the Holocaust means Jews only. Many others died helping Jewish people. They forfeited their lives to save others. But Hitlers target was to wipe the Jewish people out as a race. Genocide. And there are those still today wanting to wipe the Jewish race off the face of the earth. But they will not succeed, because God has His hand on the Jewish people. History proves that.

 

[iamsoandso]

When I speak of the Holocaust I am speaking of all who suffered and perished during that time. As I just posted, Corrie Ten Boom lost her entire family in the Holocaust, and they were not Jews. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who wrote The Cost of Discipleship, was a German and a Christian, who also lost his life in the Holocaust. He actively spoke out against Hitler and the Nazis and lost his life for it. @ Surfer there is another name for you to research. Irena Stanisława Sendler saved babies from the Holocaust, she was Polish. So I think you are mistaken when you think the Holocaust means Jews only. Many others died helping Jewish people. They forfeited their lives to save others. But Hitlers target was to wipe the Jewish people out as a race. Genocide. And there are those still today wanting to wipe the Jewish race off the face of the earth. But they will not succeed, because God has His hand on the Jewish people. History proves that.

Yes I agree. It my be that being an old man I am just not as good at conveying my intentions as well as you younger people. I wondered why you would think that I thought that the "holocaust means Jews only" so I went back to post #15(my first post to you) to see if it I worded it incorrect my intention in explaining singular verses plural "Holocaust(s)" is because I was concerned the many others(including these you named) were being forgotten but I'm glad you understand it includes many races and religions. I also noticed I miss added in the math(lol, forgive me I'm old).

This all seems a lifetime away to me now it makes me remember when my uncle came home from the war. He was in the Navy and suffered from shell shock(bombs blowing up close by) and so he would be talking and twitch his head and grin. I was a boy(10,11) and so I thought he was picking at me and I did it back to him,my mom gave me a good talking to and explained to me why. A man who was a German POW lived next door and filed for citizenship after the war told me that every German was not that way. He told me that he was taken into the Army(by force) at 17 and by the time he was captured he had didn't want to go back because of what he saw. In a while all the old ones who remember those days will be gone and people will think what they think in many ways it seems they already do.

 

[Butterflyyy]

So, collectively, the Jews destroyed their own businesses, put themselves in ghettos, shipped themselves to concentration camps tattooed themselves, and then murdered themselves? Quite a conspiracy theory there.

I’ve reported him

 

[Blik]

Yes but you have to stand in everyone's shoes you see because as Christians were seeing this and thinking that since we believe that Jesus is the Messiah and he's already come then he has given the NC. On the other hand those who follow Judaism and do not believe Jesus is the Messiah are still waiting for the Messiah and so they believe that Daniel 2:44 https://biblehub.com/daniel/2-44.htm has not been fulfilled yet. So to them they see and think that they are still under the old covenant and that Isaiah 60 is what happens when they are gathered back to Israel and when their Messiah comes (look close at verse 12) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 60&version=KJV

Denying Christ is such a major, heart breaking thing to do. Their scholars predicted the coming of the Messiah using scripture they so misread. They still believe that the Messiah will be the secular government of the people, saying scripture tells them so. Knowing that, I do not believe any of our scholars telling just how the Messiah will return, only that He will and we can trust Him.

But I've checked to see if we have things in common with the Jews, and we have so many things in common. They believe in the forgiveness of sin that can only be through grace. They also believe they must pay for their sins in the secular world a sort of if you steal God will forgive you but you must go to jail. God has promised never to forsake them, I so hope that means God will save them. Paul morns for them, but there is no scripture that tells they all may not live.