Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?

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Magenta

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Vain because this is going to make me a superstar? I'm just providing the ammo to wake the sleeping, nothing more. I would never allow fame anywhere near me. Anyone that reads this thread, you are free to claim them as your own, just know what the dangers of what fame are.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing from the Word of God. You keep ignoring that.

Your vain philosophies are not going to wake millions of people.
 
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It's like you have no idea what an unbeliever is thinking. Do you really think they are going to pick up on the Word of God when they don't believe? Get real.

They listen to science ..I have science. Anything that eventually gets them to see the light is fine with God.
 

Magenta

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It's like you have no idea what an unbeliever is thinking. Do you really think they are going to pick up on the Word of God when they don't believe? Get real.

They listen to science ..I have science. Anything that eventually gets them to see the light is fine with God.
I was a non-believer for most of my life, and I have also spoken to them for many years since my conversion many years ago, so I have a pretty good idea of the mindset such people possess. Once again you make unfounded false assumptions.

You also say such people believe in nothing, so why even give them science?

They don't believe in it, according to you.

Science is not going to convict them of their sin and need of Jesus Christ.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Formed Adam from the dust of the ground, them breathed the breath of life into him, and Eve from a rib of his side. Dirt is physical this also a rib from dirtman would also be physical.

So let us read what is written.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Genesis 1:26‭-‬31 ESV

Yep sounds like a physical creation to me. Ok so let's look at the next chapter, and see what is written.

then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is the Pishon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is the Gihon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Cush. And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man.
Genesis 2:7‭-‬22 ESV

Yep very physical language there. Out of dust, and name, and eat, and tending a garden; very physical
 
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Formed Adam from the dust of the ground, them breathed the breath of life into him, and Eve from a rib of his side. Dirt is physical this also a rib from dirtman would also be physical.

So let us read what is written.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Genesis 1:26‭-‬31 ESV

Yep sounds like a physical creation to me. Ok so let's look at the next chapter, and see what is written.

then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is the Pishon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is the Gihon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Cush. And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man.
Genesis 2:7‭-‬22 ESV

Yep very physical language there. Out of dust, and name, and eat, and tending a garden; very physical
The Tree of Knowledge looked normal to them in the garden. We are waves right now at the quantum level ..but the waves are decoherent ..they were not before original sin.
 

Magenta

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Yep very physical language there. Out of dust, and name, and eat, and tending a garden; very physical
He believes physicality itself is sin, and that God is incapable of creating a physical universe not subject to entropy.
 

Magenta

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The tree of knowledge looked normal to them in the garden. We are waves right now
at the quantum level .. but the waves are decoherent ..they were not before original sin.
You attributed "original sin" to Satan.

It is not the tree of knowledge, but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 

Magenta

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Has it occurred to anyone that they purposely used this idea to discredit it?
Has it occurred to you that you deny the power of the Word of God?

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even
to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart.


So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word
God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls.


As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return
to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that
it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that
goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will
accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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You attributed "original sin" to Satan.

It is not the tree of knowledge, but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
This reminds me of the movie, " Men who stare at goats".
 
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Has it occurred to you that you deny the power of the Word of God?
Have you ever talked to someone that knows anything about physics? ..they are atheists. I'm on God's side. The Word is powerful for those that see the light already.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Has it occurred to anyone that they purposely used this idea to discredit it?
You ever thought that there was good reason to discredit it? Like that it's wrong.
 

Magenta

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Have you ever talked to someone that knows anything about physics? ..they are atheists.
I'm on God's side. The Word is powerful for those that see the light already.
Wow. You are clueless, then, as to how many scientists believe in God.

You have also interacted with @posthuman on this site.

He very likely knows much more than you on the subject of math and physics.

He has pointed out some of your many errors, also.

Did you acknowledge any of them?

Probably not...
 
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Do you agree we are in a reality of the fallen from Adam and Eve?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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You may be waves but I am particles.
 
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Wow. You are clueless, then, as to how many scientists believe in God.

You have also interacted with @posthuman on this site.

He very likely knows much more than you on the subject of math and physics.

He has pointed out some of your many errors, also.

Did you acknowledge any of them?

Probably not...
::face palm::

I'm saying 95% of them are a challenge to approach on God.
 
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Saying you are particles says you are in a fallen reality. Wake up.