Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?

[Benadam]

We still have good things to enjoy during our earthly life. One is the ability to determine our destiny. Another is suffering. Our suffering if united to Christ's suffering it has the power to sanctify. According to an exorcist the demons are envious 0f human suffering because theirs is futile.

In hell good is absent. Nothing good exists there. None.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Earth was not "fallen" when Satan deceived Eve.

The tree was.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We still have good things to enjoy during our earthly life. One is the ability to determine our destiny. Another is suffering. Our suffering if united to Christ's suffering it has the power to sanctify. According to an exorcist the demons are envious 0f human suffering because theirs is futile.

In hell good is absent. Nothing good exists there. None.

I said "precursor".

 

[Magenta]

The tree was.

You asked about Satan. Satan was also in heaven after being cast to earth. Do you think heaven is fallen?

Plus, nothing in Scripture says the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was itself fallen.

In fact, God repeatedly pronounced creation good, and finally, very good, before A&E sinned.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

He placed the fallen tree after creation.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Satan must be intrinsically involved with anything fallen. This is how he was in the garden.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Unbelievers should question what they are seeing in the double slit experiment.

 

[Magenta]

He placed the fallen tree after creation.

So? God rested after six days of creation. And after creation pronounced everything very good.

There is nothing to say the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was itself fallen.

That is your addition.

Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east,
in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.

The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that
were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden
were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

So? God doesn't create anything fallen. I'm telling you how Satan got into the Garden.

There is a reason it says he "placed it".

 

[Benadam]

I said "precursor".

No it's not a precursor.

" In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Earthly life is ordered to the good of mankind's final end. Human life is the pinnacle of creation. In the human person the heavens and the earth are united as one being.

The material and spiritual powers find their proper place in service to the perfecting of the image of God made visible on earth by the human body.
it's the human body that makes visible the Word of God. That is only possible in the material realm. It's the material realm that completes creation just as the human person is incomplete without a body. A disembodied soul is analogous to heaven without earth. This unity makes earthly life the antithesis of hell rather than it's precursor

 

[Magenta]

So? God doesn't create anything fallen. I'm telling you how Satan got into the Garden.

There is a reason it says he "placed it".

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good
for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Scripture does not say what you claim.

 

[Benadam]

The forbidden fruit was meant to be eaten after our earthly life was fulfilled.
It still is. Aren't we going to sit on thrones and judge angels? That seat requires the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit informed us ontologically if eaten before our life on earth was fulfilled.

The earthly mode of knowing,

To know a frog fully one must be a frog.
To know evil fully one must be evil.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Adam didn't know how to judge between good and evil so the tree looked normal to him. The tree was fallen ..decoherent ..physical. We disobeyed God, there is no way around that.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hell already exists it’s a place where the wicked dead go to wait for judgement and eternal Damnation , hell will cast into the lake of fire with Satan , his servants and angels and all who reject the gospel

hell is a spiritual place for the spirit of mankind to await thier deeds who were wicked whereas paradise awaits those who repent and believe such as the thief on the cross when they pass through this world

man has a spirit and a body the body dies and returns to the earth the spirit returns to God for judgement. The wicked await damnation the believers who repented await the restoration of all things when Christ returns

hell is now a spiritual prison of sorts for the wicked because man has a spirit and spirit doesn’t die the body dies , spirit endures there is an afterlife that consists of heaven and hell now . They are spiritual realms unseen by us until we shed the flesh and see in full

the gospel is about after this lifetime for the most part we learn how to live in peace here but our promises are all for after we part from our body

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Are you guys/gals piecing together that fallen = physical?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!' (Rev. 18:2).

Umm, does God call this fallen reality "Babylon"?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Quantum Observation is our judgement of good waves being evil particles ..decoherence.
It is what happened at the tree of knowledge when we ate from it. Judging evil allows humans to know something is physical.

 

[Benadam]

'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!' (Rev. 18:2).

Umm, does God call this fallen reality "Babylon"?

If by fallen reality you mean the human experience, it is fallen. If you mean material creation,it is not fallen. It suffers separation from it's intended end because of man's seperation from God.
Babylon is a culture within the fallen human experience. It is not fallen at this time within the human experience.