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On the basis that this would apply to all and not just those who mainly tend to agree with us or we feel most comfortable with
You have posted Anandya that you believe if a person accepts Christ as the son of God but not God Himself they are saved on the basis of believing Christ is the son of God. That is enough of a belief in Christ with nothing added as to how a person must see him to be saved
So if a person disagrees with that Biblical truth how do we approach them?
Can we just firmly reply and tell them they are wrong?
Do we not consider them a brethren in Christ as they clearly will not accept the plain and continuous words of Christ?
Or can we be rude to them and speak as we like for they are not believing in accordance with the truth of scripture?
You have posted Anandya that you believe if a person accepts Christ as the son of God but not God Himself they are saved on the basis of believing Christ is the son of God. That is enough of a belief in Christ with nothing added as to how a person must see him to be saved
So if a person disagrees with that Biblical truth how do we approach them?
Can we just firmly reply and tell them they are wrong?
Do we not consider them a brethren in Christ as they clearly will not accept the plain and continuous words of Christ?
Or can we be rude to them and speak as we like for they are not believing in accordance with the truth of scripture?
A
?? LBG are you referring to me or to someone else? my only issues with you I have already stated and it was none of the above issues you listed so I'm not sure what you want me to say. I will say I will pray for you and I have moved on and forgiven the hurts of yesterday. do you still dwell in them? I'm praying that the young lady is able to read her Bible and hear again God's voice in her life, but besides that I don't understand your issues with me. i stop responding to your post because of your requests not because I have anything against you. truthfully I have not really been paying attention to anything you've posted or anything anyone has posted to you in the last week since our last conversation. So I have no clue what you are referring to. I've been trying to understand and have conversation with three main people on this site to see if I think they truly love Jesus or just fronting. I'm leaning towards the first but wonder about some things that are posted that make me think my initial assessment might be wrong. since it really doesn't have to do with you and I don't post with you in mind. i'm at a lost to understand your words.
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Anandya I can assure you I am simply making an extremely valid point. It is nothnig to do with any issue at all you and I may of had, I assure you of that and I hope you believe me
And it is good that we can both forgive each other the hurts of yesterday
I can honestly say I have no issue with you at all.
But my above point is an extremely valid one I feel
We can all say, each and every one of us that we are correct or those who think like us are. And we can therefore make excuses(I am not thinking of you personally) for the way people speak who think like us.
I mentioned the above example because I know you agree with me on that issue. So I just wondered if what you believe must hold in that instance as well as in all others. Otherwise we will all end up just saying
Not speaking in love or speaking definately in a way that can be seen as unloving is OK as long as the person who is doing it thinks like I do.
I think my above example is a clear one. So the question remains, and is not being said concerning any grudge
You agree with me on the example given, so if anyone would not accept what you know to be Biblically true to be consistent regardless of friends, do we reply resolutely and forthrightly to those who disagree with us on this issue
So in the instance given. Should we reply to others who you and I agree are biblically wrong, truthfully, or by being nice and polite?
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it depends on the person and how much I love them and in what why they love me.
Do they love and respect me enough to listen? Do they love God's word enough to hear His truth? do they love God at all? what is more important to them knowing God or seeking after pleasures of this world?
Typically I respect others and their wishes unless GOD tells me that I must make a stand and speak against someone. I tend to personally avoid conflict unless GOD tells me it is HIS will for me to speak, fight and stand in Honor of His name and word.
I praise God it does not happen every day because it is very....different experience.
i think we should do what God prompts us to do after prayer. It depends on the situation and the TIMING is important as well as the words and the intention.
does that make any sense?
Do they love and respect me enough to listen? Do they love God's word enough to hear His truth? do they love God at all? what is more important to them knowing God or seeking after pleasures of this world?
Typically I respect others and their wishes unless GOD tells me that I must make a stand and speak against someone. I tend to personally avoid conflict unless GOD tells me it is HIS will for me to speak, fight and stand in Honor of His name and word.
I praise God it does not happen every day because it is very....different experience.
i think we should do what God prompts us to do after prayer. It depends on the situation and the TIMING is important as well as the words and the intention.
does that make any sense?
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were all of God's servants always polite? what about when Elijah taunted the prophets of Baal when their gods did not make fire come from Heaven? was it polite for Moses to demand and curse Eygpt? was it polite for Jesus to overturn the money changing tables in the Temple?
Is it nice to tell someone they are being deceived? Is it nice to speak out against injustice, should you do so with "politeness" waiting your turn to speak, etc or with forcefulness and truth? should you follow the world's standards or God's? what does it mean to be polite and nice?
Is it nice to tell someone they are being deceived? Is it nice to speak out against injustice, should you do so with "politeness" waiting your turn to speak, etc or with forcefulness and truth? should you follow the world's standards or God's? what does it mean to be polite and nice?
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but that is what is being discussed if we think someone is being heretical should we respond nicely or truthfully?
if they walk in God's love and we think they are God's people then it would not be as big an issue but if you see someone walking off the path you believe God wants All His people to walk then how should you respond?
if they walk in God's love and we think they are God's people then it would not be as big an issue but if you see someone walking off the path you believe God wants All His people to walk then how should you respond?
W
I think they are equally important. The bible is clear on this: Do NOT judge.
so even though we are to tell others to repent and turn to God, doing this by casting our own judgment on them is wrong.
We are simply to tell them the truth:
1: God cannot tolerate sin!
2: ALL humans sin! (sometimes knowingly, sometimes not)
3: Jesus death and resurrection means our sins are paid for
4: Believing in Him = Community with God
5: Community with God = Desire to repent
= Asking forgiveness = Our sins being FORGIVEN AND FORGOTTEN!
6: We will sin again.... but if we keep repenting, He will keep forgiving
so even though we are to tell others to repent and turn to God, doing this by casting our own judgment on them is wrong.
We are simply to tell them the truth:
1: God cannot tolerate sin!
2: ALL humans sin! (sometimes knowingly, sometimes not)
3: Jesus death and resurrection means our sins are paid for
4: Believing in Him = Community with God
5: Community with God = Desire to repent
= Asking forgiveness = Our sins being FORGIVEN AND FORGOTTEN!
6: We will sin again.... but if we keep repenting, He will keep forgiving
Z
Was Jesus being nice when He said to Peter "Get behind me Satan" ?
No. It's not about being nice. You will have fruits of the Spirit when you believe, but I see "niceness" nowhere listed as one of them. Gentleness and joy, yes, but those are different. You can be truthful and "mean" in a gentle way.
Be angry and do not sin.
No. It's not about being nice. You will have fruits of the Spirit when you believe, but I see "niceness" nowhere listed as one of them. Gentleness and joy, yes, but those are different. You can be truthful and "mean" in a gentle way.
Be angry and do not sin.
W
yes, but:
If all Christians were suddenly perfect as soon as they turned to God, then it would be obvious to the rest of the world that our religion was the right one, wouldn't it?
Jesus tells us to forgive those who sin against us not seven times, but seventy- seven.
why would he tell us to do that if God Himself don't give second chances?
If all Christians were suddenly perfect as soon as they turned to God, then it would be obvious to the rest of the world that our religion was the right one, wouldn't it?
Jesus tells us to forgive those who sin against us not seven times, but seventy- seven.
why would he tell us to do that if God Himself don't give second chances?
Z
Christians wouldn't look perfect to anyone, I believe, because a) people seem to have different opinions on whose "perfect" or not (by "people" I mean those who don't accept Christ) and b) the world's too into themselves to notice us anyways (except when we do something wrong, of course).
The second part I don't think I caught...I was saying that you don't keep on repenting. You repent of sin once and for all. There is and always will be (until we die) sin dwelling within us, and we have to fight the good fight until the day we die. But we aren't saved over and over and over again. We are saved once and for all.
As for second chances, we only have one "chance," and that is Christ. We are destined only to die once, and those who believe are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ, the image of God's Son. So we have only this life to turn and repent and accept Christ. Otherwise, we perish.
Grace and Love
The second part I don't think I caught...I was saying that you don't keep on repenting. You repent of sin once and for all. There is and always will be (until we die) sin dwelling within us, and we have to fight the good fight until the day we die. But we aren't saved over and over and over again. We are saved once and for all.
As for second chances, we only have one "chance," and that is Christ. We are destined only to die once, and those who believe are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ, the image of God's Son. So we have only this life to turn and repent and accept Christ. Otherwise, we perish.
Grace and Love
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