"I Forgive You" -- But What If You Haven't Done Anything Wrong?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

Growing up smack-dab in the middle of church culture, I often find myself trying to process the many things I've seen that still troubles me on a regular basis.

For instance, have any of you ever been told by someone, "I forgive you," but you're left wondering exactly what it was you did wrong? I'm certainly not saying that there aren't times when we haven't wronged a person who said that, but I was thinking of two examples in particular.

I've had many situations at work where someone wants me to break the rules for them because they see themselves as being an exception, and when I try my best to politely refuse, they will say something like, "Shame on you!" There was one time when I'd finally had enough, and I just told the person, "No, because doing my job isn't anything deserving of shame."

Now please understand, I'm certainly NOT saying that I never do anything wrong -- like anyone else, if I do something right, it's all because of the grace of God. But with today's "Entitlement" culture, things like this seem to be happening more and more, and I was wondering how others deal with it.

My second example involves two women in the church. I'll call the first, Sister Abby -- a woman in her 50's who has been in ministry most of her life. Abby has taken a young woman in the church, Sister Beth (in her 20's) under her own wing, and sees her as someone who could be a good helper to Abby's own personal ministry, as well as someone who might be able to take it over in later years.

Sister Abby has a very introverted, guarded personality; by contrast, Sister Beth is very extroverted, warm, and outgoing. Sister Abby almost always waits for people to approach her first; while the young Sister Beth always makes an effort to approach others first and ask how they are doing.

Over time, Sister Abby sees that the people are becoming much more drawn to Sister Beth, and starts to see this young woman as basically stealing her ministry. She starts to cut Sister Beth out of the loop, excluding her from important events and information, and when Sister Beth asks why, Sister Abby tells her, "I forgive you for all the wrong you've done to me. We just have to forgive each other and move on."

But Sister Beth is left utterly confused over exactly how it is that she has wronged Sister Abby, since she has done everything that Sister Abby asked for her without complaint and in an honoring way.

Now again, I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.

* Have the rest of you been through this, or seen it happen to someone else, and if so, how do you feel is the best way to handle it?

I'm looking forward to hearing how other Christians deal with this.

I actually feel this is very important to talk about within the Single Christian Community. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like singles are often targeted within the church to be molded into things that other people want them to be, and if we hesitate or question their motives, we are often accused of being rebellious or not being true Christians to begin with.

The older I get, the more I've come to discern between people who want me to be more like Jesus -- and people who simply want me to be more like them.

How about the rest of you? What's your story?
 

Lanolin

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mm I havent been too into the whole church culture thing.

But I did leave one church where I was doing some minsitry and the board were like we dont want you to do it because it makes us look bad or cheap.

It was kinda weird, and could never get my head round it. They had this meeting and everything where they ganged up on me and basically told me off for doing stuff.

well, they got a garden for free which I hope someone else is kinda looking after now Im not there anymore. If I didnt. do it, then the place would just be full of weeds still.
 

seoulsearch

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mm I havent been too into the whole church culture thing.

But I did leave one church where I was doing some minsitry and the board were like we dont want you to do it because it makes us look bad or cheap.

It was kinda weird, and could never get my head round it. They had this meeting and everything where they ganged up on me and basically told me off for doing stuff.

well, they got a garden for free which I hope someone else is kinda looking after now Im not there anymore. If I didnt. do it, then the place would just be full of weeds still.
I'm sorry this happened to you, Lanolin. I'm glad you didn't allow yourself to be used or taken advantage of.

It's a terrible thing that we actually sometimes have to protect ourselves from churches.
 

seoulsearch

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I should also make a DISCLAIMER:

In the original post, I am neither Sister Abby nor Sister Beth in the given story.

They are, however, based on two real women that I used to know at a church I was once part of.
 

Rosemaryx

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I think this is one of the main reasons we are told to guard our heart , and watch our tongue...
Before this lady's action to the younger one , jealousy was stirring , a root had sprouted up , and it was actually the elder lady who sinned against the younger by her actions and words...
Just a thought...
...xox...
 

Magenta

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I should also make a DISCLAIMER:

In the original post, I am neither Sister Abby nor Sister Beth in the given story.

They are, however, based on two real women that I used to know at a church I was once part of.
Sister Abby was not being honest in her profession/confession of forgiveness.

I have experienced that myself. I feel no compunction in rejecting pretend forgiveness.
 

Magenta

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Sister Abby's actions speak of what has come to be known as "virtue signaling."

She says she forgives Beth, while really, she is punishing her.

Abby is also asserting her assumed superiority.

Her motives are definitely suspect.
 

PennEd

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Hey Everyone,

Growing up smack-dab in the middle of church culture, I often find myself trying to process the many things I've seen that still troubles me on a regular basis.

For instance, have any of you ever been told by someone, "I forgive you," but you're left wondering exactly what it was you did wrong? I'm certainly not saying that there aren't times when we haven't wronged a person who said that, but I was thinking of two examples in particular.

I've had many situations at work where someone wants me to break the rules for them because they see themselves as being an exception, and when I try my best to politely refuse, they will say something like, "Shame on you!" There was one time when I'd finally had enough, and I just told the person, "No, because doing my job isn't anything deserving of shame."

Now please understand, I'm certainly NOT saying that I never do anything wrong -- like anyone else, if I do something right, it's all because of the grace of God. But with today's "Entitlement" culture, things like this seem to be happening more and more, and I was wondering how others deal with it.

My second example involves two women in the church. I'll call the first, Sister Abby -- a woman in her 50's who has been in ministry most of her life. Abby has taken a young woman in the church, Sister Beth (in her 20's) under her own wing, and sees her as someone who could be a good helper to Abby's own personal ministry, as well as someone who might be able to take it over in later years.

Sister Abby has a very introverted, guarded personality; by contrast, Sister Beth is very extroverted, warm, and outgoing. Sister Abby almost always waits for people to approach her first; while the young Sister Beth always makes an effort to approach others first and ask how they are doing.

Over time, Sister Abby sees that the people are becoming much more drawn to Sister Beth, and starts to see this young woman as basically stealing her ministry. She starts to cut Sister Beth out of the loop, excluding her from important events and information, and when Sister Beth asks why, Sister Abby tells her, "I forgive you for all the wrong you've done to me. We just have to forgive each other and move on."

But Sister Beth is left utterly confused over exactly how it is that she has wronged Sister Abby, since she has done everything that Sister Abby asked for her without complaint and in an honoring way.

Now again, I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.

* Have the rest of you been through this, or seen it happen to someone else, and if so, how do you feel is the best way to handle it?

I'm looking forward to hearing how other Christians deal with this.

I actually feel this is very important to talk about within the Single Christian Community. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like singles are often targeted within the church to be molded into things that other people want them to be, and if we hesitate or question their motives, we are often accused of being rebellious or not being true Christians to begin with.

The older I get, the more I've come to discern between people who want me to be more like Jesus -- and people who simply want me to be more like them.

How about the rest of you? What's your story?
I am NOT claiming I have achieved this level of Christian maturity, but it seems to me that saying something along the lines of “ thank you for forgiving me, I’m terribly sorry for any wrong I’ve done to you. Please tell me how I can avoid doing it again” might be a productive course of action.


This would be a type of “dumping hot coals”, while possibly either finding out how they think they were wronged, or get them to think about how they actually weren’t.
 

Magenta

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... I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.
Interpersonal dynamics can be such a conundrum! I believe it is sometimes - and maybe even often - the case where one person does something that another perceives as being injurious to them, while the other had no ulterior or malevolent motive at all. If the person truly believes the other had malicious designs, speaking up about it would be preferable to stewing over it. But to just go to someone and say, out of the blue, I forgive you for what you have done, when the other has no fault in the matter? It really just looks manipulative to me.
 

seoulsearch

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I am NOT claiming I have achieved this level of Christian maturity, but it seems to me that saying something along the lines of “ thank you for forgiving me, I’m terribly sorry for any wrong I’ve done to you. Please tell me how I can avoid doing it again” might be a productive course of action.


This would be a type of “dumping hot coals”, while possibly either finding out how they think they were wronged, or get them to think about how they actually weren’t.

I was just about to ask what the best course of action would be when politely refusing false forgiveness.

Thank you for beating me to the punch, Ed! :)

It's unfortunate (and some might even say heathen) that I often seem to find more examples of what I don't want to be like in the church than those of what I hope to be. I don't think I've ever told someone "I forgive you," UNLESS they specifically asked me to do so, just because I'm hoping to be cautious about being this way to another person.

My only problem with taking the approach of, "I'm so sorry, tell me how to avoid doing wrong against you in the future," is that in this case, you haven't actually done anything wrong against the person. In fact, they are the ones who are doing you wrong, and to ask them how to avoid wronging them "again" not only gives them means to justify their thinking and actions against you, but it reinforces their behavior -- meaning they will do so again all the faster and even more aggressively the next time they think you've done them wrong.

I have a personal belief that people who do this are often strong personalities who are used to "getting away with it" -- for whatever reason, no one calls them out or stands up to them -- and this is exactly why and how they've gotten to be this way.

One of my biggest dilemmas is how to stand up to wrongful behaviors in the church in a God-pleasing manner, because I DON'T want someone to think it's ok and I don't want them to be reinforced to keep doing so.

Even if they totally disregard what I do or have to say, I know my conscience rests a lot easier if I at least try.

I'm sure I probably think this way because I have people in my life who haven't let me get away with very much either, which also puts me at fault too for wanting people to be subjected to the same type of discipline I've been exposed to.
 

phil36

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Feb 12, 2009
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I think sisters Rosemaryx and Magenta have sussed sister Abby out:cool:.

In all seriousness though I agree with both Rosemary and Magenta. Abby has the problem. Another point sometimes is that if someone has been doing a particular job within the church for a long time they can come to see that as their baby. It can be hard for them to let go or even share responsibility. The problem here is that the job/responsibility has become tied to their self worth within the church.

Sometimes it's a Jealousy issue other times it's a pride issue and most often both. How do you fix this. Well Paul deal's with this stuff in his letters to the Corinthians.

As for someone saying they forgive you when you haven't done anything wrong, well that could just be a way to emotionally manipulate..possibly?

The best thing would be for Abby and Beth to have a sit down chat with another person there they both trust. Talk the situation over and pray together about it.

We are all pilgrims on the way.... Paul gives us all some good advice:


4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith;
7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
 
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Hey Everyone,

Growing up smack-dab in the middle of church culture, I often find myself trying to process the many things I've seen that still troubles me on a regular basis.

For instance, have any of you ever been told by someone, "I forgive you," but you're left wondering exactly what it was you did wrong? I'm certainly not saying that there aren't times when we haven't wronged a person who said that, but I was thinking of two examples in particular.

I've had many situations at work where someone wants me to break the rules for them because they see themselves as being an exception, and when I try my best to politely refuse, they will say something like, "Shame on you!" There was one time when I'd finally had enough, and I just told the person, "No, because doing my job isn't anything deserving of shame."

Now please understand, I'm certainly NOT saying that I never do anything wrong -- like anyone else, if I do something right, it's all because of the grace of God. But with today's "Entitlement" culture, things like this seem to be happening more and more, and I was wondering how others deal with it.

My second example involves two women in the church. I'll call the first, Sister Abby -- a woman in her 50's who has been in ministry most of her life. Abby has taken a young woman in the church, Sister Beth (in her 20's) under her own wing, and sees her as someone who could be a good helper to Abby's own personal ministry, as well as someone who might be able to take it over in later years.

Sister Abby has a very introverted, guarded personality; by contrast, Sister Beth is very extroverted, warm, and outgoing. Sister Abby almost always waits for people to approach her first; while the young Sister Beth always makes an effort to approach others first and ask how they are doing.

Over time, Sister Abby sees that the people are becoming much more drawn to Sister Beth, and starts to see this young woman as basically stealing her ministry. She starts to cut Sister Beth out of the loop, excluding her from important events and information, and when Sister Beth asks why, Sister Abby tells her, "I forgive you for all the wrong you've done to me. We just have to forgive each other and move on."

But Sister Beth is left utterly confused over exactly how it is that she has wronged Sister Abby, since she has done everything that Sister Abby asked for her without complaint and in an honoring way.

Now again, I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.

* Have the rest of you been through this, or seen it happen to someone else, and if so, how do you feel is the best way to handle it?

I'm looking forward to hearing how other Christians deal with this.

I actually feel this is very important to talk about within the Single Christian Community. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like singles are often targeted within the church to be molded into things that other people want them to be, and if we hesitate or question their motives, we are often accused of being rebellious or not being true Christians to begin with.

The older I get, the more I've come to discern between people who want me to be more like Jesus -- and people who simply want me to be more like them.

How about the rest of you? What's your story?
I think sometimes people say "I forgive you." as a passive aggressive way of blaming the other person without outright accusing them of wrong doing. This technique gives them plausible deniability of being confrontational thinly veiled behind being a good Christian.

In this way they maintain control of the upper hand if you attempt to argue with them. They can just feign offense to smear you as irrational and aggressive. They'll probably do it in front of other people or maybe in an emotionally abusive relationship.
 

Lynx

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I have a former stepmother who would pull this junk. (Dad kind of married her fast on the rebound and spent the next couple of decades regretting it, but he stayed with her because he is much more honorable than many men I know.) She sent letters to a few of our family members, "forgiving" them for imagined wrongs they had done to her. No details on specific wrongs were ever cited.

The general family reaction was to shake our heads and say bless her heart. And bless dad's heart for putting up with her.
 

Lynx

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Personally if somebody pulls that junk on me I will deliberately act visibly confused and ask what I have done to them. I go out of my way to make my confusion as obvious as a nova, so there is no way they will miss it. They usually spout some vague emotional complaints without giving any specifics and wander away.
 
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It's kind like when people say "I'll pray for you." after a minor miscommunication or disagreement.
 
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kaylagrl

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Hey Everyone,

Growing up smack-dab in the middle of church culture, I often find myself trying to process the many things I've seen that still troubles me on a regular basis.

For instance, have any of you ever been told by someone, "I forgive you," but you're left wondering exactly what it was you did wrong? I'm certainly not saying that there aren't times when we haven't wronged a person who said that, but I was thinking of two examples in particular.

I've had many situations at work where someone wants me to break the rules for them because they see themselves as being an exception, and when I try my best to politely refuse, they will say something like, "Shame on you!" There was one time when I'd finally had enough, and I just told the person, "No, because doing my job isn't anything deserving of shame."

Now please understand, I'm certainly NOT saying that I never do anything wrong -- like anyone else, if I do something right, it's all because of the grace of God. But with today's "Entitlement" culture, things like this seem to be happening more and more, and I was wondering how others deal with it.

My second example involves two women in the church. I'll call the first, Sister Abby -- a woman in her 50's who has been in ministry most of her life. Abby has taken a young woman in the church, Sister Beth (in her 20's) under her own wing, and sees her as someone who could be a good helper to Abby's own personal ministry, as well as someone who might be able to take it over in later years.

Sister Abby has a very introverted, guarded personality; by contrast, Sister Beth is very extroverted, warm, and outgoing. Sister Abby almost always waits for people to approach her first; while the young Sister Beth always makes an effort to approach others first and ask how they are doing.

Over time, Sister Abby sees that the people are becoming much more drawn to Sister Beth, and starts to see this young woman as basically stealing her ministry. She starts to cut Sister Beth out of the loop, excluding her from important events and information, and when Sister Beth asks why, Sister Abby tells her, "I forgive you for all the wrong you've done to me. We just have to forgive each other and move on."

But Sister Beth is left utterly confused over exactly how it is that she has wronged Sister Abby, since she has done everything that Sister Abby asked for her without complaint and in an honoring way.

Now again, I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.

* Have the rest of you been through this, or seen it happen to someone else, and if so, how do you feel is the best way to handle it?

I'm looking forward to hearing how other Christians deal with this.

I actually feel this is very important to talk about within the Single Christian Community. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like singles are often targeted within the church to be molded into things that other people want them to be, and if we hesitate or question their motives, we are often accused of being rebellious or not being true Christians to begin with.

The older I get, the more I've come to discern between people who want me to be more like Jesus -- and people who simply want me to be more like them.

How about the rest of you? What's your story?
Stopping in for a visit. ;) Sometimes you have to call people out on their antics. A good pastor friend of mine told a story about a man on the board of a church he use to pastor. He said this man often kept board meetings late for no reason. He really felt like he was running the show. So they decided to get new carpet for the church. The board got together to choose which color the carpet should be, easy problem to solve right? No! This man held the meeting up till almost midnight because he couldn't agree with the others as to the carpet that should go in the church. They needed an answer but he refused to agree. Well my pastor friend said he knew that this mans wife was "head of the house" so to speak. So he said he went all over town and found as many samples of carpet he could find. He drove up to the board members house and laid the samples all over his car, on the grass and then knocked on the board members door. He asked him to come out. The board member started to shut the door behind him and my pastor friend said loudly " oh no, bring your good wife too!!" They stepped outside and he said to the board member "Now, is there a sample of carpet that is the right one and the color you like and will agree to to put in the sanctuary?!" His wife turned to him and said " YOU were the one that held the board meeting up till mid-night?!!" He turned to my pastor friend and said " put in whatever carpet you want to use pastor" and turned on his heel and went back in the house. Sometimes you have to turn it back on them so they see how small and ridiculous they are acting. We still tell that story and have a laugh and that was years ago. I have a feeling that ol' board member heard the "rosary backwards" (as my mother says) when he got alone with his wife. rofl
 

cinder

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I'm kind of with Lynx on this one. If people are going to come up with a generic "all the wrongs you've done me" and I have no idea what they're talking about; I'm going to ask them to tell me what those specific wrongs are (if I'm feeling particularly combative I'll probably even say "I'm not aware of having done you any wrong").

Having said that, I think it's also important to forgive imagined wrongs (maybe not to tell the person you forgive them, but to get to the point in your heart where you let go resentment and bitterness even if they have no just basis). And being able to air your feelings and talk it out with people might help a person in the process of coming to terms with their own faulty imaginations and perceptions.
 

Encouragement

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Hey Everyone,

Growing up smack-dab in the middle of church culture, I often find myself trying to process the many things I've seen that still troubles me on a regular basis.

For instance, have any of you ever been told by someone, "I forgive you," but you're left wondering exactly what it was you did wrong? I'm certainly not saying that there aren't times when we haven't wronged a person who said that, but I was thinking of two examples in particular.

I've had many situations at work where someone wants me to break the rules for them because they see themselves as being an exception, and when I try my best to politely refuse, they will say something like, "Shame on you!" There was one time when I'd finally had enough, and I just told the person, "No, because doing my job isn't anything deserving of shame."

Now please understand, I'm certainly NOT saying that I never do anything wrong -- like anyone else, if I do something right, it's all because of the grace of God. But with today's "Entitlement" culture, things like this seem to be happening more and more, and I was wondering how others deal with it.

My second example involves two women in the church. I'll call the first, Sister Abby -- a woman in her 50's who has been in ministry most of her life. Abby has taken a young woman in the church, Sister Beth (in her 20's) under her own wing, and sees her as someone who could be a good helper to Abby's own personal ministry, as well as someone who might be able to take it over in later years.

Sister Abby has a very introverted, guarded personality; by contrast, Sister Beth is very extroverted, warm, and outgoing. Sister Abby almost always waits for people to approach her first; while the young Sister Beth always makes an effort to approach others first and ask how they are doing.

Over time, Sister Abby sees that the people are becoming much more drawn to Sister Beth, and starts to see this young woman as basically stealing her ministry. She starts to cut Sister Beth out of the loop, excluding her from important events and information, and when Sister Beth asks why, Sister Abby tells her, "I forgive you for all the wrong you've done to me. We just have to forgive each other and move on."

But Sister Beth is left utterly confused over exactly how it is that she has wronged Sister Abby, since she has done everything that Sister Abby asked for her without complaint and in an honoring way.

Now again, I am not saying that the other person may not have done anything wrong. But I am seeing this time and time again among Christian groups I know: Person X doesn't like the way Person Y is handling things or is getting a larger/more positive following, and therefore, Person X accuses Person Y of doing something wrong to them (such as "stealing their sheep.")

But would God say that Person Y has actually done something wrong? And if they haven't, what should this Person Y do? In my younger days, if someone would accuse me of doing wrong, I was much more apt to hang my head, immediately apologize, and beg the other person's forgiveness. These days, I'm much more prone to analyzing the situation first rather than immediately catering to the first accusation.

* Have the rest of you been through this, or seen it happen to someone else, and if so, how do you feel is the best way to handle it?

I'm looking forward to hearing how other Christians deal with this.

I actually feel this is very important to talk about within the Single Christian Community. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like singles are often targeted within the church to be molded into things that other people want them to be, and if we hesitate or question their motives, we are often accused of being rebellious or not being true Christians to begin with.

The older I get, the more I've come to discern between people who want me to be more like Jesus -- and people who simply want me to be more like them.

How about the rest of you? What's your story?
Hi yes this happens lot in life.Within most interactions with other people its bound to occur.
Being falsely accused of wrongdoing when you havent actually done anything wrong then being told by the person that they forgive you when you "know" you havent done anything wrong isnt easy to deal with sometimes.The actual truth can be manipulated within the persons mind in such a way that the actual things you did that were actually not even wrong in the 1st place become twisted in their perception.
I think you would have to forgive the person for somehow implying that you have done wrong and feeling they need to forgive you because this very act against you of falsely implying you did wrong is an offence within itself.
Even worse if they behave differently towards you because that believe you have done wrong.You both basically belive you are right when clearly one is wrong but cannot even see it.
I did a thread here about "how important is it to prove yourself as right"..and in this thread many of us may have a desire to show the other person we haven't done anything wrong to kind of prove our innocence.Yet most of the time that just makes things worse.
We all have different ways of interpreting others behaviour and many times a persons motives as to why they are seeing another person as doing something wrong when they actually haven't is often the main factor.
The example you showed is a classic example of the womans motivation of jealousy and insecurity being the root to her motives which created the wrong kind of feelings and attitudes towards the other person..yet she couldn't see this within herself and wasn't going to take any responsibility for how she was responding to the other lady who was innocent.
The bible says the heart is deceptive and so is the enemie and many times person is self deceived and just cannot see that they are actually the one in the wrong.
To be told they are forgiving you when you have done nothing wrong is a bit like them throwing a dart into thin air..coz they are forgiving you for a nonexsistant offence/sin which only deceptively exsist with their own mind and NOT in real life.
Often this deceptive situation is generated within themselves is often just a reflection of themselves more than anything and one shouldn't allow then to make you confess to a sin you never committed or to entertain the notion you did wrong..but I guess being graceful and even after trying to show then you aren't wrong saying "well ok.we will just have to agree to disagree.God bless"..maybe the only way to resolve it.
I dont think I could be accepting their misplaced forgiveness because there has to be a degree of standing for the truth before then because you know that God is seeing all what's going on.To accept it would be like accepting a prison number when you didnt commit a crime...you would be playing at their game.
Opps I have done another novel...again.. 😂
"A person always had a problem with their feet and so were very sensitive about people making comments abouwhtheir feet or even looking at them.At a church function someone just happened to look at their feet in a queue for foot and that look deeply affected them.They were big angry and hurt and belived this person was rude to look at their feet and struggled to forgive them..but they did eventually."
 

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Hi yes this happens lot in life.Within most interactions with other people its bound to occur.
Being falsely accused of wrongdoing when you havent actually done anything wrong then being told by the person that they forgive you when you "know" you havent done anything wrong isnt easy to deal with sometimes.The actual truth can be manipulated within the persons mind in such a way that the actual things you did that were actually not even wrong in the 1st place become twisted in their perception.
I think you would have to forgive the person for somehow implying that you have done wrong and feeling they need to forgive you because this very act against you of falsely implying you did wrong is an offence within itself.
Even worse if they behave differently towards you because that believe you have done wrong.You both basically belive you are right when clearly one is wrong but cannot even see it.
I did a thread here about "how important is it to prove yourself as right"..and in this thread many of us may have a desire to show the other person we haven't done anything wrong to kind of prove our innocence.Yet most of the time that just makes things worse.
We all have different ways of interpreting others behaviour and many times a persons motives as to why they are seeing another person as doing something wrong when they actually haven't is often the main factor.
The example you showed is a classic example of the womans motivation of jealousy and insecurity being the root to her motives which created the wrong kind of feelings and attitudes towards the other person..yet she couldn't see this within herself and wasn't going to take any responsibility for how she was responding to the other lady who was innocent.
The bible says the heart is deceptive and so is the enemie and many times person is self deceived and just cannot see that they are actually the one in the wrong.
To be told they are forgiving you when you have done nothing wrong is a bit like them throwing a dart into thin air..coz they are forgiving you for a nonexsistant offence/sin which only deceptively exsist with their own mind and NOT in real life.
Often this deceptive situation is generated within themselves is often just a reflection of themselves more than anything and one shouldn't allow then to make you confess to a sin you never committed or to entertain the notion you did wrong..but I guess being graceful and even after trying to show then you aren't wrong saying "well ok.we will just have to agree to disagree.God bless"..maybe the only way to resolve it.
I dont think I could be accepting their misplaced forgiveness because there has to be a degree of standing for the truth before then because you know that God is seeing all what's going on.To accept it would be like accepting a prison number when you didnt commit a crime...you would be playing at their game.
Opps I have done another novel...again.. 😂
"A person always had a problem with their feet and so were very sensitive about people making comments abouwhtheir feet or even looking at them.At a church function someone just happened to look at their feet in a queue for foot and that look deeply affected them.They were big angry and hurt and belived this person was rude to look at their feet and struggled to forgive them..but they did eventually."
lol..I ment they were in a queue for food...NOT a queue for foot..😂😂