Calvinists are preaching a false message .
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Yes Israel. Its saying in Ezekiel 36 that this will happen to Israel in the future . The verse says they will be caused to follow Gods statutes and laws . That is not for the Church . We are not ' caused to follow those requirements. And we are not Israel . It never says anything other than Israel .
Here is what I actually said ---
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I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---
It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
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Ephesians 2:1-5
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
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I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---
It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
-----------
Ephesians 2:1-5
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.
I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---
It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
-----------
Ephesians 2:1-5
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.
I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---
It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
-----------
Ephesians 2:1-5
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.[/QUOTE]Its DEAD in a sense . Its not the spin Calvinism ( Augustine) puts on it . Were not physically dead . We go to work , we eat , and walk around ( Thats pretty much all we do at the moment, with the Covid situation lol )
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---
It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
-----------
Ephesians 2:1-5
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.[/QUOTE]Its DEAD in a sense . Its not the spin Calvinism ( Augustine) puts on it . Were not physically dead . We go to work , we eat , and walk around ( Thats pretty much all we do at the moment, with the Covid situation lol )
Hi Throughfaith, sorry about that I was assuming you would see the connection of the New Covenant. My fault.
But here you:-
Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
cf.
Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant
I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
2 Cor 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
1 Thessolonians 3:13
To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
But here you:-
Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
cf.
Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant
I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
2 Cor 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
1 Thessolonians 3:13
To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
I should have clarified ' that is not about Israel '
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into THEIR ( ISRAEL) mind, and write them in THEIR ( ISRAEL ) hearts: and I will be to THEM ( ISRAEL ) a God, and they shall be to me a people (ISRAEL )
11And they ( ISRAEL ) shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all ( ISRAEL ) shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into THEIR ( ISRAEL) mind, and write them in THEIR ( ISRAEL ) hearts: and I will be to THEM ( ISRAEL ) a God, and they shall be to me a people (ISRAEL )
11And they ( ISRAEL ) shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all ( ISRAEL ) shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
So what do you think Ezekial was saying
And when did that happen?[/QUOTE] its not happened yet . It will happen future. But let's go crazy and say that what and whenever doesn't matter , just to make a point..its still about Israel. No matter how you try slice it . Its saying Israel .
Just as if we heard on the news that Brazil will host the Olympic games in the year 2030 ..We understand its BRAZIL who will be hosting .
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no here is what I responded to brother. Please not the bolded part of your post
nothing in the post says what you are now claiming you said concerning my origional response, so now I am confused
now I am really confused, I made the following statement and you did not respond to any of these statement, I am sure you can recognize the scripture I used,
as you see I used multiple points of scripture, so why would you say I used none?
again, you did the same thing As an earlier poster did, you left the part out where paul said how this all came to be
Eph 2: 8-9 for it is by grace we have been saved THROUGH FAITH,..... not of works lest anyone should boast
again, paul did not say for by grace we have been saved so that we may have faith otherwise it would be works or however it would have to be
here paul plainly states faith is not a work, it is part of the salvation process
nothing in the post says what you are now claiming you said concerning my origional response, so now I am confused
now I am really confused, I made the following statement and you did not respond to any of these statement, I am sure you can recognize the scripture I used,
as you see I used multiple points of scripture, so why would you say I used none?
again, you did the same thing As an earlier poster did, you left the part out where paul said how this all came to be
Eph 2: 8-9 for it is by grace we have been saved THROUGH FAITH,..... not of works lest anyone should boast
again, paul did not say for by grace we have been saved so that we may have faith otherwise it would be works or however it would have to be
here paul plainly states faith is not a work, it is part of the salvation process