Are we missing the good news ?
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I was talking about the same thing. John the Baptist publicly and clearly announced that Christ was the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world. This was before Christ even began His ministry. John also declared that he was preparing the way for the Lord. This too was prophesied in Malachi. And Jesus publicly declared who He was many times.
But none of the 12 understood that Jesus had to die.
Peter was so disillusioned about the impending death of Christ that he denied knowing him 3 times.
None of them were camping outside the tomb on the 3rd day, counting down to his resurrection.
So what exactly did they believe about Jesus during that time?
Peter was so disillusioned about the impending death of Christ that he denied knowing him 3 times.
None of them were camping outside the tomb on the 3rd day, counting down to his resurrection.
So what exactly did they believe about Jesus during that time?
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Can you show me in John 3:16 what that "more" is? John 3:16 says "everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life." (NASB) It does not say believes in Him AND or believes in Him PLUS or believes in Him BUT.. It simply says believes in Him "apart from additions or modifications." Everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life is the best news ever!
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DISCLAIMER: I have respect for every single person here. I hope that we can agree, or at least agree to disagree. Never take anything I say as angry, because I am here to love and share biblical truth as I see it. I respect everyone’s God-given right to freewill thought and decision. I will open-mindedly consider what you have to say, and hope that you will do the same for me…
Thank you for discussing this with me. You ask where do I get the ‘more’ and the answer is the bible- for there is more than one command, there is more than John 3:16- which is a great verse, which I also cherish. But even demons believe that Jesus is the Son of the Living God. Did God say to do anything else? Repent? Confess? Fellowship? Not to forsake the assembly?
If I told you that if you eat you will live, and that if you stop eating ever you will die, would that be true? yes. What if later I said that if you breathe you will live, and if you stop breathing ever you will die, would that ALSO be true? And if both were true, could I choose to do just one? no, I need to do both in order to live. In the same way, we must do more than just believe. The pharisees believed, but Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees we will not enter heaven.
Thank you for discussing this with me. You ask where do I get the ‘more’ and the answer is the bible- for there is more than one command, there is more than John 3:16- which is a great verse, which I also cherish. But even demons believe that Jesus is the Son of the Living God. Did God say to do anything else? Repent? Confess? Fellowship? Not to forsake the assembly?
If I told you that if you eat you will live, and that if you stop eating ever you will die, would that be true? yes. What if later I said that if you breathe you will live, and if you stop breathing ever you will die, would that ALSO be true? And if both were true, could I choose to do just one? no, I need to do both in order to live. In the same way, we must do more than just believe. The pharisees believed, but Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees we will not enter heaven.
Where did Jesus say unless ' our ' righteousness .... " Who is Jesus speaking to please? And here's the actual verse
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Is this before or after the cross?
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Is this before or after the cross?
In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
The pharisees did not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation either. In regards to Matthew 5:20 - "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." This statement from Jesus would come as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective. *The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.
Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, therighteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans 3:21 - But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference.
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
In Romans 10:3-4, we read - "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.
The pharisees did not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation either. In regards to Matthew 5:20 - "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." This statement from Jesus would come as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective. *The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.
Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, therighteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans 3:21 - But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference.
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
In Romans 10:3-4, we read - "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.
DISCLAIMER: I have respect for every single person here. I hope that we can agree, or at least agree to disagree. Never take anything I say as angry, because I am here to love and share biblical truth as I see it. I respect everyone’s God-given right to freewill thought and decision. I will open-mindedly consider what you have to say, and hope that you will do the same for me…
There are so many other commands than belief. You cannot choose just one of them.
There are so many other commands than belief. You cannot choose just one of them.
So the multiple passages of scripture that make it clear man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" are in error? (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8.9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..). If additional requirements (works) after believe/faith were also necessary for salvation then God would not make so many statements in which He promises eternal life to those who simply BELIEVE/PLACE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION.
Jn.3:16 shows us that our Father in Heaven sent his Son to show us how God is. Despite all the pain we have caused him, our Lord will forgive any who are truly sorry for the wrong done to him.
It's good to study the scriptures, but growth comes from practicing what he said. When we love those those who hate us, who speak evil of us and persecute us and can forgive them, that's good news.
Then we really start seeing what it means to be conformed to the image of Christ.
It's good to study the scriptures, but growth comes from practicing what he said. When we love those those who hate us, who speak evil of us and persecute us and can forgive them, that's good news.
Then we really start seeing what it means to be conformed to the image of Christ.
Glorification is also for this present time. When Jesus prayed to be glorified, it was so God would be glorified and God is glorified when people see his nature in us.
Facing the hate of those who would mercilessly abuse him, our dear Lord prayed to be glorified as he was before the world existed. This isn't only a prayer for future glorification, but for a continuance of showing the love of God to sinners,
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Jn.1:14
It's a wonderful thing to grow in the knowledge of the Lord. To know that people who are not conformed to the image of God's Son now, won't be later.
Facing the hate of those who would mercilessly abuse him, our dear Lord prayed to be glorified as he was before the world existed. This isn't only a prayer for future glorification, but for a continuance of showing the love of God to sinners,
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Jn.1:14
It's a wonderful thing to grow in the knowledge of the Lord. To know that people who are not conformed to the image of God's Son now, won't be later.