The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

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Ahwatukee

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I prefer to use the term body of Christ to denote all Jews and gentiles that were saved under Paul's gospel of the uncircumcision (Romans 16:25), for clarity.

Those saved under the gospel of the circumcision that James Peter and John were preaching throughout Acts (Galatians 2:7-9), I would classify them as the little flock.

The word church can apply to both the BOC and the little flock but it is should not be synonymous to any of them, otherwise confusion will result.
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

There are not different groups within the church, as both Jew and Gentile believers in Christ are one flock.
 
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No, this is a post disproving your theory that it’s harder to be saved walking by sight during times of tribulation than having to walk walking by faith in times of ease when people are spiritually complacent.
You have to explain why you believe not being able to participate in the economic system in order to stay saved, i.e my point 1, is no big deal.

James 5 warn us that it will be especially bad for those who are already rich, for obvious reasons.
 
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"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

There are not different groups within the church, as both Jew and Gentile believers in Christ are one flock.
That is certainly true for the Body of Christ, as I already stated "all Jews and gentiles that were saved under Paul's gospel of the uncircumcision"

But Acts 21:20-25 maintain the difference between those in the little flock, and those in the Body of Christ.
 
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You have to explain why you believe not being able to participate in the economic system in order to stay saved, i.e my point 1, is no big deal.
I shouldn’t have to tell you what history has IRREFUTABLY proven over and over and over - that the more fiercely Satan attacks the church, the more people are going to join!!!

Please learn and embrace the historic church axiom going all the way back to the 2nd century - “The blood of the martyrs is SEED for the church”.

When they killed one, 10 would join up, which is why Satan switched his tactic from frontal assault to “infiltrate and conquer” via the Antichrist Papacy.
James 5 warn us that it will be especially bad for those who are already rich, for obvious reasons.
You’re making my point and you don’t even realize it! Who’s more likely to seek God — those who are rich and at ease or those who are suffering TRIBULATION?

CONCLUSION: It’s EASIER to grow the church in times of tribulation and it will be EASIER to trust the Word of God during the so called “7 year tribulation” because no one is going to have to walk by faith anymore - “rapture” evidence will be seen everywhere.
 
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I shouldn’t have to tell you what history has IRREFUTABLY proven over and over and over - that the more fiercely Satan attacks the church, the more people are going to join!!!

Please learn and embrace the historic church axiom going all the way back to the 2nd century - “The blood of the martyrs is SEED for the church”.

When they killed one, 10 would join up, which is why Satan switched his tactic from frontal assault to “infiltrate and conquer” via the Antichrist Papacy.
You’re making my point and you don’t even realize it! Who’s more likely to seek God — those who are rich and at ease or those who are suffering TRIBULATION?

CONCLUSION: It’s EASIER to grow the church in times of tribulation and it will be EASIER to trust the Word of God during the so called “7 year tribulation” because no one is going to have to walk by faith anymore - “rapture” evidence will be seen everywhere.
Alright then, if you don't wish to explain why you disagree with my points, I will not insist.

I can understand why you like to believe that there will not be a pre-tribulation rapture of the Body of Christ then.
 

Blade

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Amen I believe when Christ returns we will be coming with Him and rule with Him.

Over time listening and reading what believers say you start to wonder would God share/reveal something different about a verse then what He shows/revaels to others? :) The answer can be very shocking

This has nothing todo with this but I like this song playing I have never heard before. Lord&Christ Jimi Cravity "I confess Jesus Christ son of the living God. I confess Jesus Name with power alone to save." Amen amen and amen.
 

ewq1938

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So, Satan wasn’t behind all those people mocking Him and telling Him to come down off the Cross to prove His Messiahship?
Does the bible tell us Satan was behind them doing that?
 

ewq1938

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Perhaps it would help if you defined "Christian."
I shouldn't need to do that. Everyone knows what a Christian is at a Christian forum.


The Church is not at all mentioned in any of the chapters in Revelation that outline the details of the Tribulation years (6-19).
The church is mentioned using various terms.

All we see in those chapters is mention of "saints," even though John talked specifically about the Church in chapters one through three. So, it strains at reason to argue from silence that the Church is still on the earth during the actual Tribulation period since neither "Christian" nor "Church" are mentioned as being present during the horrid seven years of that 70th week.
The church goes through the Great Tribulation. That's the whole purpose of it. Much of the church will be slain but there will be some survivors according to Paul.
 
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Alright then, if you don't wish to explain why you disagree with my points, I will not insist.

I can understand why you like to believe that there will not be a pre-tribulation rapture of the Body of Christ then.
Some of my concerns are:

Does it seem right and fair and just of God to force the entire world to walk by faith since the beginning of time, but the people of the "7 last years of tribulation" will be able to walk by sight?

How can Paul teach that when Jesus comes as a "thief in the night", this will be followed by a 7 year trib if Peter says when He comes as a "thief in the night", the world is going to suffer uninhabitable catastrophe?

Why do people insist that a "7 last years of tribulation" rebuilt temple in Jerusalem in which the blasphemous sacrifices would be a slap in God's face ever be considered by God to be "the temple of God" when we know full well that the NT repeatedly calls the "temple of God" on Earth the church -- a perfectly acceptable interpretation?
 
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Some of my concerns are:

Does it seem right and fair and just of God to force the entire world to walk by faith since the beginning of time, but the people of the "7 last years of tribulation" will be able to walk by sight?
There will also be false signs and wonders from the antichrist that will deceive many during those 7 years (Matthew 24:24), so I don't understand why you keep harping on how great it is to be able to walk by sight, instead of faith.
 
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There will also be false signs and wonders from the antichrist that will deceive many during those 7 years (Matthew 24:24), so I don't understand why you keep harping on how great it is to be able to walk by sight, instead of faith.
How could it be possible for Antichrist to deceive anyone with "rapture" evidence lying around all over the place?

Antichrist: "Hey guys, even though the Bible says Jesus would one day sneak into town and sneak out with the saints, it was actually aliens -- yeah, aliens who only abduct Christians...so don't trust the Bible. I'M REALLY JESUS, NOW BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME :cool:"

Can you see how Antichrist's deceptions can ONLY be effective in a time when people have to walk by faith, not after the "secret rapture" proves the Bible true beyond a shadow of doubt?
 
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How could it be possible for Antichrist to deceive anyone with "rapture" evidence lying around all over the place?

Antichrist: "Hey guys, even though the Bible says Jesus would one day sneak into town and sneak out with the saints, it was actually aliens -- yeah, aliens who only abduct Christians...so don't trust the Bible. I'M REALLY JESUS, NOW BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME :cool:"

Can you see how Antichrist's deceptions can ONLY be effective in a time when people have to walk by faith, not after the "secret rapture" proves the Bible true beyond a shadow of doubt?
Are you saying that you don't believe what Jesus said in Matthew 24:24?
 

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No, but I would bet my life he was behind them...would you bet your life he wasn't?
I don't think it's wise to "bet your life" on things. The Roman soldiers were brutal types of people. They didn't need Satan to be cruel.
 
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Are you saying that you don't believe what Jesus said in Matthew 24:24?
Of course I believe it - just not that it happens during a fictitious " 7 year tribulation" because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV says when Jesus comes as "a thief in the night", there won't be 7 more minutes of anything, let alone 7 years.
 
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Of course I believe it - just not that it happens during a fictitious " 7 year tribulation" because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV says when Jesus comes as "a thief in the night", there won't be 7 more minutes of anything, let alone 7 years.
There are no signs and wonders now in the current dispensation of grace.
 
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I don't think it's wise to "bet your life" on things. The Roman soldiers were brutal types of people. They didn't need Satan to be cruel.
Yes, discretion is the better part of valor when one is unsure of the outcome.
 

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Yes, discretion is the better part of valor when one is unsure of the outcome.
Why would Satan wait for Christ to be crucified to try to have it end prematurely when he could have just possessed them and not even crucify him in the first place? Seems odd that satan and the devils would do nothing until after he was already on the cross and then supposedly try to stop it.

I think it's far more likely and sensible that Satan enjoyed Christ being tortured to death like he was and simply didn't realize how much it actually was his own defeat. I like to think of Satan as literally insane and not able to think rationally.
 
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Why would Satan wait for Christ to be crucified to try to have it end prematurely when he could have just possessed them and not even crucify him in the first place? Seems odd that satan and the devils would do nothing until after he was already on the cross and then supposedly try to stop it.

I think it's far more likely and sensible that Satan enjoyed Christ being tortured to death like he was and simply didn't realize how much it actually was his own defeat. I like to think of Satan as literally insane and not able to think rationally.
It was prophesied in the OT that Jesus would be raised from the dead, and he would bear the sins of Israel, so Satan was aware of that.

What he was not aware was the mystery that was hidden in God (Ephesians 3:9), that not just Israel's sins would be forgiven but even the gentiles. And that there would be a new creation, the Body of Christ, which will eventually replace all his fallen angels in heaven.

Had he known the latter, he would have done all he could to prevent the cross (
1 Corinthians 2:8