Is the double slit experiment proof of original sin?

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Eating the physical apple made them physical themselves. The tree was fallen.

..welcome to this fallen reality.

Eating the apple made them to be sin ..decoherence.

Decoherence causes waves to become particles.

We are made of waves and particles today ..the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
 
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We chose to become a single point on a perfect circle. I think the circle represents the Universal Wave in QM. The circle is harmonic and pure tones.

This fallen reality feels connected to that single point ..maybe like a square, pentagram, or phi.
 
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NO!
Sin [originated] in Satan, not Adam.
So NO, sin did not originate from the Double Slit.
And an experiment could never regulate, recognize, understand, nor duplicate how one of the most esteemed Angels created by God, Praised and Honored by the Realms of Heaven, had his own throne close to God, inwardly created the ultimate hate for God. The magnitude could never be reasoned by experiment due to not being able to duplicate the truest point of Satan's [SIN]. It's a sin that has completely engulfed and consumed Satan to no point of return. No experiment can perfectly match that [intent] coming from a powerful enough angel it held up Gabriel for 21 days and Michael was careful how he addressed Satan. It's before particles, energy, Laws of Physics, Singularity, electromagnetic's. It's not of this Universe.

Is the double slit experiment proof of original sin?
 

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The double slit experiment is indicating we are judging if something is part of this fallen reality or not. We became unique instead of as a whole. A physical person has pride, vanity, greed, lust, ego ..sin

The knowledge of judging evil allows humans to know something is physical. We didn't know/see what the difference was between a wave and particle before sin.

Scientists say decoherence is lost information to the environment. ..but the environment is this fallen reality. We are swimming in sin.

It goes deeper ..original sin caused disorder ..entropy. Unobserved waves are coherent and infinite. Decohered wave packets are finite. They caused disorder of the perfect order of coherence. SIN

This fallen condition causes Death, Decay, and Age.

Sin has something to do with physicality. Satan was allowed in the Garden because God needed something fallen to give us choice for Free Will. If God used a tree ..it means it was a physical tree ..and Satan is able to be around anything fallen apparently. The tree of knowledge would have looked normal to Adam because he couldn't judge between good and evil yet. The tree was physical in a garden that was not. God doesn't create evil so he used something from this fallen view.

Our eyes were open to Satan's perception because he was the first to cause disorder.

I think decoherence might be a present state ..the now. Physical objects can only be in the now ..not the future.
this is supportive proof of mans original sin and shows us why it is we die

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We are all born from Adam we’re all there in his flesh when he took on the knowledge of good and evil , sinners is what we are in the heart and nature . It doesn’t mean we are completely evil , it means we have both good and evil in our heart and mind and they are in a struggle for our soul .

Gid didn’t make Adam to struggle with good and evil , the fruit caused that which is why God forbid it .

sinners have this issue in our nature the two aspects of mankind are at war within

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-17‬ ‭


Because there’s a constant struggle between good and evil it became a law inside of man that causes a form of slavery or rather captivity within


“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Man isn’t meant to be in this state of sinfulness , it’s what Satan caused when he deceived them into the knowledge of good and evil that God forbid . Sinners are a result of the devils work . The way out of this situation we have in the world is the gospel

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

We were led astray by a lie , the result was slavery to sin , and the freedom is found in Christs understanding offered which is the truth that’s meant to correct the effect of the lie

original sin just means that Adam ate the forbidden fruit which produced sinners from his children who struggle in thier natire between good and evil

we’re meant to be good in our nature not having a struggle with evil sinners can act right for a long time but eventually sin comes out of us we do good do good do good and then we sin it’s the good and evil coming out of us that is in us a result of “ original sin “
 
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Objects made of coherent waves can be just as physical ..just without the ability to sin. They don't have decoherence.

An angel was able to take down a physical army.
 
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Objects made of coherent waves can be just as physical ..just without the ability to sin. They don't have decoherence.

An angel was able to take down a physical army.

Angels are controlled by their will. Satan had his own will. It was completely separated from God and was as viable as all wills are. He chose to Sin against God by ultimately hating God in every known possible way. Sin originated in Heaven. the Originator was cast to Earth. the Originator deceived Eve. Adam/Eve [is not] the "original" sin. Because we have [wills]/Satan is example of a WILL gone bad.
 
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Video Game analogy of Religion:

Are we physically unique humans in SIM Satan? Will we be virtual matter wave avatars in SIM Heaven?

SIM Satan can only exist because God's Kingdom was here first. Decoherence needs waves to collapse.

We are only able to sin in Satan's perception. We can claim objects and events as our own doing ..pride, greed, lust, ego, vanity.

In Heaven we will be virtual in a virtual environment. In a virtual environment, anything you own is owned by all. Virtual means we are all connected.
 
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Video Game analogy of Religion:

Are we physically unique humans in SIM Satan? Will we be virtual matter wave avatars in SIM Heaven?

SIM Satan can only exist because God's Kingdom was here first. Decoherence needs waves to collapse.

We are only able to sin in Satan's perception. We can claim objects and events as our own doing ..pride, greed, lust, ego, vanity.

In Heaven we will be virtual in a virtual environment. In a virtual environment, anything you own is owned by all. Virtual means we are all connected.


You remind me of my buddy growing up playing Battlestar Galactica (y)
 

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I'd say, if anything, it's proof of the process of faith and the principles that govern heaven's authority over the earth.


Hebrews 11:1& 3
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen...By faith we understand that the universe was formed at the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.


The laws of nature prove cause & effect, i.e. something comes from something else. But the results of the double-slit experiment on light appear to show that the opposite is true in quantum physics. The effect creates the cause; "where a thing ends up determines the path to get there" (as split photons affect each other across space and across time). And they can't understand why this is so. Baffled. It makes no sense to them.

In other words, it seems science has just witnessed "Amen"; the "so be it".


Romans 4:16-17
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Mark 11:24 [brackets mine]
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it [past tense], and it will be [future tense] yours.


In the beginning, The Almighty said..."let there be light." and there was light. In the beginning, was the Word (voice...waveform)...


Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
 

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This earth is hell...
To a degree. But nothing compared to the real Lake of Fire. As to anything called a *double slit* that is pure fantasy.

The material world was created by God was was indeed "very good". Therefore there will also be a New Heavens and a New Earth. Christians do not need Buddhist concepts in their theology, and Buddhism itself is idolatry.
 
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Shouldn't Satan originally having a claim on everyone tell you he is a bigger deal than you care to admit to? Jesus takes that away from him, but not for those that don't see the light. Unbelievers need to understand that this beast owns them.
 
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“No one is good but God alone” Mk 10:18 and it’s written, “there is no one who does good, not even one." Rom 3:12 ..via Steve Amato

Humans can't do good in this fallen condition. It doesn't mean we can't do charitable acts, it means this place is sin.
 
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Does the locality of physical uniqueness allow death, decay, and sin?
 
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Does a place that allows death, decay, and disorder, sound like a place consciousness could handle for infinity?
We are in a place that has physical uniqueness ..a place that allows us to be about ourselves. Does an act entailing only you have a Biblical definition?

We are in this fallen reality because of original sin.
This place is literally a moral test.
 
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The double slit experiment played a huge part to my awakening to god. For those that don't know it, it actually proves reality is dependent on observation (as Buddhists believe). This is a material world and we are spirit based beings having an experience here. The tree in the garden of eden was a representation of free will. I don't believe god sent us from eden because of disobedience but because we had demonstrated free will and not just trusted in god. When we fell from the garden we fell into hell.

This earth is hell, everything rots and decays here, even still water turns stagnant, greed and murder wins here. But there is also light here, acts of kindness and love.

Satan is the prince of this reality, however all life is temporal and what happens here is just a tiny part of our existence as souls. I believe there are many paths to god and this is perhaps what Jesus meant when he said "i have other sheep that are not of this fold"
John 10:16, however Jesus is the quickest and least rocky path.

Experiments like the double slit experiment show us particles in this universe behave as waveform. This deconstructs the whole physical universe as some kind of virtual reality. Perhaps gods reason for hell and Satan is to test us and see if we will follow god in a world of temptation. We blame Satan for evil but I tell you truly we are capable of much evil on our own. We have a choice to follow god or not in this hell, the same choice as to eat the apple or not. We after all this time just need to decide if we trust in god.
"I believe there are many paths to God"........

Nope.....only One.....The Lord Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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Does a place that allows death, decay, and disorder, sound like a place consciousness could handle for infinity?
God created it that way to reveal the dignity of mankind.
 
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This is way above my pay grade😗😗.
So looking at what scripture says....correct me if I'm wrong. This is what it says to me.

To sin is to go against the natural way of God
The tree of good and evil was never intended to be eaten from.
God had purposed every tree but this one to be eaten from.
Satan appeared adorned in all this beautiful apparel to cause a distraction.
Eve was attracted to his appearance comparing it to the forbidden fruits.
Eve being seduced by what she saw then did eat.

Adam on the other hand trusted in the words of the serpent and the actions of his wife over the word of God.
Now to say that we were some sorta rays or something before the fall counterdicts what adam said about eve.
"This is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" note blood is not mentioned. I compare this to the body of the risen Christ. Thomas put his hands in the wounds, jesus did walk, and eat. And yet he seemed to pass through doors and walls. Jesus accended by his own power to the father not taken up.

So there you have it......corrections or comments anyone?
 
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7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Not a spirit being. Besides, how could a spirit being eat an apple? Come to think of it though, the Bible says nada about apples or oranges. Simply states fruit.

Some people believe the world is flat and then we have the nonsense of the op.
 
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If you want out of this hellhole, you have to be willing to give it all up. This place is made of and for sin. We are in Satan's perception of Death and Decay. This place is a test, you're not supposed to enjoy it. You have to give up everything that makes you physically unique. You will have an ID in Heaven, but the one you have right now is used for sin. That's what sin is, Greed, Lust, Ego, Pride, Vanity. IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU.
Actually, there is forgiveness ONLY through Jesus Christ and the blood...SINLESS BLOOD..shed on the cross. The world is not a hellhole although one may be tempted to contemplate that it may indeed be so for you.

I think you would do well in a desert setting with a few lizards in attendance to listen to your rants.

The gospel is not a mystery, it is God's plan for our salvation.

You appear to be under a strong delusion.
 
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If the knowledge of good and evil sends us into this fallen condition, will we remember this place in Heaven? Will this horrible place that Satan rules be forgotten?

Why would you bother sinning if all of this will be forgotten?