The Babies of God

MattforJesus · Feb 13, 2021

When a person is saved it may take them a while to get the world out of their life for they may struggle with sin, or hold unto sin until they grow and stop going by the world, which this is more of a problem with the young people like teenagers and young adults.

The majority of people being saved is not doing a complete turn around and acting like Christ abstaining from sin and that is why we grow in Christ for we learn to be more like Christ, and have a desire to be more like Him as time goes on.

Paul is speaking to them as being carnal for they have not worked out the kinks yet but he called them babes in Christ which you cannot be in Christ unless you are saved.

They just have to grow and get the world out of them, and stop having a desire for things of the flesh and it's attitude but they are in Christ, and the Bible says we grow until we become perfect in Christ.

So there is no belittling, no fuss, for they are saved for they are in Christ and a person does not know if they will not grow but some people still are arrogant towards some people, and belittling them, but they do not know if they will not grow, and belittle people that are really grown but they say they are not because of a wrong interpretation they believe.

You cannot apply all babes in Christ as being this way for you do not know them all, and Paul was addressing that one Church and that still does not mean that it applies to all, and it does not mean it applies to all the Churches.

Like Paul addressed one Church and said for the women to keep quiet but that does not mean all the women were talking interrupting the preacher and service, and it does not mean there is a problem in all the Churches.

A hypocrite is a hypocrite no matter how long they have confessed Christ, but a babe in Christ has more of an excuse than a person that has confessed Christ for years for they should know better.

Like the military where a private and a captain can do the same crime against military standard but the captain will get in to more trouble for he should know better.

So I think we should not pick on the babes for their hypocrisy seeing they are starting out learning, but point out the hypocrisy of those who have been confessing Christ for years because they should know better.

Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1Jn 2:13 I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

oyster67 said:

Good. You Love even your "enemies". Me too!

Mat. 5

43 ¶Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Dino246 · Feb 13, 2021

It's time for the OP to be shown the door.

oyster67 · Feb 13, 2021

Dino246 said:

Don't be a Haman. It's time to show JA the welcome mat.

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

that’s maybe one of the best posts I’ve read since being here brother

Well you should know then that it was not actually from me. But God that spoke to you through me.

Pilgrimshope said:

a lot of wisdom from the lord is being spilled out from your cup being filled over by the lord

I am glad you got Wisdom for your soul. That is the "Ultimate" that anyone can be hoping for.

Pilgrimshope said:

I have a masters. And were Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa for 3 years. And then God started teaching me. Don't feel you missed out. The Disciples of Jesus were also taught by God Himself. What you get at a College and a University are the words of man. And they honor you with their degree and title. This not The Word of God which only He can speak into your Soul Personally. There is of course a vast difference.

What they teach is knowledge for your mind. What God speak to you is Creating Word. Creating the next step in your Spiritual Growth. He speaks as The Creator God. Creating now as your Father in the most Beloved Position there is for Him to Create. Your Soul and your Life as His Child. Raising you in His Life every time He speaks. Don't waste unnecessary time with anything less than this.

Luke 10

38 ¶Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and heard his word.
40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Pilgrimshope said:

This was of course your Father working in Spirit in your Spirit leading you.

Pilgrimshope said:

Good. Then you will be released from their chains.

But never loose Love for the Babies of God. When you are restored then come back for them.

Luke 22

31 ¶And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

We all have to be obedient to the "authorities". They are necessary. For now. Until the Ruling of Jesus is manifested on earth.

Rom. 13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

So we need now to "cross over" to the Solution to the problem. We can not go on with the problem itself.

I started a New Thread for that Purpose.

Where we enter into the Solution. The Love of the Father.

So let us discuss that. For those that want to grow out of this situation.

oyster67 · Feb 13, 2021

"I have a masters. And were Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa for 3 years. And then God started teaching me. Don't feel you missed out. The Disciples of Jesus were also taught by God Himself. What you get at a College and a University are the words of man. And they honor you with their degree and title. This not The Word of God which only He can speak into your Soul Personally. There is of course a vast difference.

What they teach is knowledge for your mind. What God speak to you is Creating Word. Creating the next step in your Spiritual Growth. He speaks as The Creator God. Creating now as your Father in the most Beloved Position there is for Him to Create. Your Soul and your Life as His Child. Raising you in His Life every time He speaks. Don't waste unnecessary time with anything less than this.

Luke 10

38 ¶Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and heard his word.
40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her "

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

oyster67 said:

Well I did comply to everything the "authorities" asked of me. Stopped with this thread of "strife" and started one on The Love of God. Which is of course the heart of the problem. Because where there is Love there is no strife. But seems they are holding it back to decide if they are going to allow for us to look at The Solution to the problem. Which is of course totally different from this one that just introduced the problem.

So we will see.

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

While we are waiting on the Authorities to decide if I am going to be part of the next discussion on The Love of our Father we can start speaking to Him about it in our closets. Because they actually already
accepted my actions that I said I am going to take. And which I am doing now.

Some guidelines from my side on this:

What is His Love towards His Children that are currently divided by so many groups and organizations? To just leave them be or something else?

Is there anything in Scripture that we overlooked totally that was always there but never Revealed?

How is the Second coming of Jesus relevant for this situation?

What does the Marriage of the Bride and the Lamb have to do with this situation?

JohanA · Feb 13, 2021

Dino246 said:

Actually not. Because I was given some guidelines to stay here. Which mean no more "belittling". So I adhered to that perfectly. As you will see none anymore.

And changing that thread that is going "nowhere". Which is of course true. That is just the problem and not the Solution.

This is of course for the most important reason of The Solution from God that we still needs to discuss. Some of you might have a good Solution. And you need to bring it. Because obviously all these groups and denominations with God's Children totally divided is surely not His Idea. And we need to have a discussion on what is actually His Idea. And why are we in this situation if it is not His Ideal one that He originally had in mind.

And those hearing from Him should speak up now.

And only then we will have all the different options to choose from. And one of them might even be from God.

oyster67 · Feb 13, 2021

JohanA said:

I must rest my eyes for awhile. I will look for your new thread later. Bye for now.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 13, 2021

JohanA said:

God wanted His Church to be of one mind and in one accord. At the same time He has allowed the Enemy -- Satan -- to sow the tares among the wheat. Therefore there have been divisions in the churches from the time of the apostles. But heresies are meant to separate the chaff from the wheat.

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Cor 11:19)

We see here that divisions and heresies are tied together. But we also see that they serve a positive purpose: "that they which are approved may be made manifest among you". This is speaking of those who are approved of God, since they hold fast to the true Gospel and true Bible doctrine.

I asked you earlier to post the full and true Gospel according to your understanding of it. But you have failed to do so. So now it is time for you to either put up or shut up.

oyster67 · Feb 13, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Time to stop focusing on JA. This is beginning to look kind of Spanish.

oyster67 · Feb 13, 2021

This is not what I had in mind when I said we needed to become meat eaters.

CS1 · Feb 13, 2021

JohanA said:

I did not threaten with a ban. I sent you a PM out of respect to you and I also made a general comment to the whole thread. Please do not suggest I am threatening you, because I do not threaten I make recommendations and they are done or not by Admin.

Thank you.

SophieT · Feb 13, 2021

JohanA said:

Seems you are unsure? Don't you think you should ask Dad and "Edify" us?

Maybe the Psalm is speaking about someone else, laughing. And the consequences that befall you after that "laughing" reach its destiny?

So we have a "Terrible One" in heaven that is not God?

Seems you have a "purpose" here to Exalt someone else that is not God?

No problem. Just keep your carnality out of it. Because that Someone will start "Laughing" again.

that is Word. Good.

Did I "offend" you? Or did God give you the "offended evil spirit"? Because you asked for it? Enjoying your carnality?

1 Samuel 16
13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
14 ¶But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lordtroubled him.*n8
15 And Saul’s servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.[/QUOTE]

I do not hold the opinion you have of yourself.

Never mind. The donkey actually had something to say from God.

You, on the other hand, do not. You should repent of those voices in your ear and turn to the Living God.

oyster67 · Feb 14, 2021

JA's new Love Thread is up and running. Let's move over there now. God bless.

Pilgrimshope · Feb 14, 2021

JohanA said:

yes let’s discuss the gospel ? And

oyster67 said:

“Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.”

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there are babes in Christ , who are supposed to be babes in Christ and be feeding on pure spiritual milk which is the word of God. which makes them grow up into young adults it’s the John 3:16 -17, type of things that inspire belief. In the son of God for salvation

babes need that milk to Form faith in him , trust that he is able to save , that his will is that if they believe in him they will be forgiven and saved from eternal damnation.

then there are those who are aging in Christ , they are drinking the rain of forgiveness and light of salvation , but they aren’t bearing the fruit of the kingdom yet . Because when the meat comes for the young adult which makes the young adult grow into maturity they reject it and want to remain where God is trying to stand then you and teach them to walk a bit

so they would fit in the rebuke part of the doctrine whereas Peter is encouraging the milk there comes a time when babies learn things and start to grow and receive more responsibility more accountability like children do we have to grow up and mature so this would be what those folks might receive who want to begin growing up

“For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;

and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s hard sometimes for us to understand that I’m at a different point than many others in Christ , this doesn’t mean that they are lost , or I am lost it simply means we’re at a different point in our maturity in Christ

a grown up , doesn’t demand a small child pay thier own way at home pay thier fair share of taxes , kids don’t have the same responsibility as an adult , they don’t have the same mind as an adult nor responasabikity or ability to understand

so babies are learning the basics , there comes a time when they will need the solid food in order to grow up but it’s sharing the word of Christ among ourselves that makes us grow at whatever stage we are at if we can remain non judgements of those who’s faith is weaker , another way of saying they are younger

I think those who are growing will see the seed and harvest principle and understand the difference in seedlings , young plants and then hardened barked and fruitful trees and what makes us grow

The gospel is framed by faith and faith requires seed , time , and harvest this principle

And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.

For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.

But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:26-29‬ ‭KJV

the seed or in the other frame of analogy the milk that makes them grow is the word of the kingdom what we call the gospel

“ When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.

....But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth,

some an hundredfold,

some sixty,

some thirty.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:19-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everyone doesn’t produce a gigantic harvest of fruit of become elderly scholars some are thieves in the cross who heard about Jesus and believe , it’s imperative we understand that the more we receive of the gospel , the more our own standard of judgement rises , but everyone else’s standard is according to what they know between them and Jesus

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:

and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭

what might be a sin on my life may not be in someone else’s life accounted to them as sin based on who knows what

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”

‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul says the same thing using different words

“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:23‬

“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”

‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as Christians if we want to help new Christians grow up we have to not demand that they reach our standard in Christ , but encourage them to themselves hear his standard for them in sharing his word with each other and leaving the judgement to him

Pilgrimshope · Feb 14, 2021

another really edifying post , THANK YOU for taking the time to respond yes brother something you said there about the creative word

Faith

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the operation of faith through man based upon the word of God the creator

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:26-27‬ ‭

the operation of faith based on the creators word

“Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Even from the beginning

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:1, 3, 6-7‬ ‭

if we grasp the creative power that is certain in christs word faith results . The source of faith must be what God said would come to pass that we can’t already see

It is the substance belief provides knowing his word will come to pass just as he has spoken or forth

we walk by faith in the promises he made he makes Many including repentance and righteousness , comfort , assurance , mercy ect if we believe his word it is sure

really great post

Nehemiah6 · Feb 14, 2021

oyster67 said:

Since JA has come on board and painted all Christians with the broad brush of being babies, it is high time that he presented his understand of the true and full Gospel. That will confirm how mature he is in the faith, and whether or not he hold to the true Gospel.

And I don't see how "Spanish" comes into the picture, since we are not conducting an Inquisition as yet.

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