The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

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Edify said:
I have a problem with those who say the gifts aren't for today because they ended or we no longer need them.

1. They can't prove it with scripture, because it's not there. Nowhere.
2. They will twist 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 like a pretzel to get it to say so.
3. They will use 3-4th century writers to prove it ended, when they usually are condemning such people for being part of the Roman Catholic church for not knowing what they're talking about.

It's always a double standard.
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here is one those who hold to the cessionist view the book of Acts and all the New testament as well as the old were written after the events took place. Just because the bible was not put together with the 66, did not mean God had not yet completed HIS word. Therefore 1cor 12-14 chapters are not to be read as something that will take place as they like to use 1cor 13:8-10 the word was already written as were the epsitles. "That which is perfect " meaning complete has come was already there IF this passage is speaking about the "Bible " coming to be. It is not.
 
Edify said:
I have a problem with those who say the gifts aren't for today because they ended or we no longer need them.

1. They can't prove it with scripture, because it's not there. Nowhere.
2. They will twist 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 like a pretzel to get it to say so.
3. They will use 3-4th century writers to prove it ended, when they usually are condemning such people for being part of the Roman Catholic church for not knowing what they're talking about.

It's always a double standard.
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I don't think the real issue is ,are they for today or not ,but rather what the bible says tongues are for . This resolves the issue .
 
CS1 said:
here is one those who hold to the cessionist view the book of Acts and all the New testament as well as the old were written after the events took place. Just because the bible was not put together with the 66, did not mean God had not yet completed HIS word. Therefore 1cor 12-14 chapters are not to be read as something that will take place as they like to use 1cor 13:8-10 the word was already written as were the epsitles. "That which is perfect " meaning complete has come was already there IF this passage is speaking about the "Bible " coming to be. It is not.
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I am not a cessationist. I was agreeing with you. Please reread for clarity.
 
Edify said:
I am not a cessationist. I was agreeing with you. Please reread for clarity.
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I am not suggesting or were that you are one :) I was speaking only to those who hold to that position as to why they are not Biblical . ' Those who hold to".
 
throughfaith said:
I don't think the real issue is ,are they for today or not ,but rather what the bible says tongues are for . This resolves the issue .
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OK. There are tongues of men & angels, which denotes what would be an unknown tongue.
1Cor 14:13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue is to pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spiritprays, but my mind is unproductive. 15What is the outcome then? (1) I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray with the mind also; (2)I will sing with the spirit(worship), but I will sing with the mind also. 16For otherwise, if you bless God [g]in the spirit only, how will the one who occupies the place of the [h]outsider know to say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you are saying? 17For you are giving thanks well enough,but the other person is not edified. 18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19nevertheless, in church I prefer to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Tongues are used for personal & corporate worship, instruction, edification, & comfort. The reason is plain why we should interpret them: No one knows what's being said otherwise.

It's sad that the modern church abuses them ignorantly for self edification.
 
CS1 said:
I am not suggesting or were that you are one :) I was speaking only to those who hold to that position as to why they are not Biblical . ' Those who hold to".
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You said "here is one". You only need to write with clarity not read with it.;)
 
Edify said:
OK. There are tongues of men & angels, which denotes what would be an unknown tongue.
1Cor 14:13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue is to pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spiritprays, but my mind is unproductive. 15What is the outcome then? (1) I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray with the mind also; (2)I will sing with the spirit(worship), but I will sing with the mind also. 16For otherwise, if you bless God [g]in the spirit only, how will the one who occupies the place of the [h]outsider know to say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you are saying? 17For you are giving thanks well enough,but the other person is not edified. 18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19nevertheless, in church I prefer to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Tongues are used for personal & corporate worship, instruction, edification, & comfort. The reason is plain why we should interpret them: No one knows what's being said otherwise.

It's sad that the modern church abuses them ignorantly for self edification.
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Where does it say there ARE tongues of men and angels ?
 
Edify said:
You said "here is one". You only need to write with clarity not read with it.;)
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please forgive my lack of clear writing. many times misunderstanding happen when writing in this format. Or lack therefore .
 
Edify said:
OK. There are tongues of men & angels, which denotes what would be an unknown tongue.
1Cor 14:13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue is to pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spiritprays, but my mind is unproductive. 15What is the outcome then? (1) I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray with the mind also; (2)I will sing with the spirit(worship), but I will sing with the mind also. 16For otherwise, if you bless God [g]in the spirit only, how will the one who occupies the place of the [h]outsider know to say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you are saying? 17For you are giving thanks well enough,but the other person is not edified. 18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19nevertheless, in church I prefer to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Tongues are used for personal & corporate worship, instruction, edification, & comfort. The reason is plain why we should interpret them: No one knows what's being said otherwise.

It's sad that the modern church abuses them ignorantly for self edification.
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One cannot worship God in an unknown tongue. Worship requires knowledge. Worship adores and glorifies Christ not the worshipper. Only the heathen endeavored to worship their gods with empty words and prayers. Worship stems from the hearts of believers that love and adore Christ. Worship from the heart glorifies God. Purity and holiness is the fruit of knowledge of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome said:
One cannot worship God in an unknown tongue. Worship requires knowledge. Worship adores and glorifies Christ not the worshipper. Only the heathen endeavored to worship their gods with empty words and prayers. Worship stems from the hearts of believers that love and adore Christ. Worship from the heart glorifies God. Purity and holiness is the fruit of knowledge of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I guess Paul was heathen. When he under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said :

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.


The idea that one cannot worship God in an unknown tongue is not what Paul said here, you can do both. Some continue to rip out verses to build a false narrative.


1cor 14:2

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

The idea that Speaking to God by the Holy Spirit is a heathen practice is igonance.
 
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CS1 said:
The idea that one cannot worship God in an unknown tongue is not what Paul said here, you can do both. Some continue to rip out verses to build a false narrative.


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Your interpretation on the verse is exactly opposite of what the apostle is teaching.

Examine the usage of my spirit and the spirit in the text and notice how it makes your interpretation invalid.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Edify said:
OK. There are tongues of men & angels, which denotes what would be an unknown tongue.
1Cor 14:13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue is to pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spiritprays, but my mind is unproductive. 15What is the outcome then? (1) I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray with the mind also; (2)I will sing with the spirit(worship), but I will sing with the mind also. 16For otherwise, if you bless God [g]in the spirit only, how will the one who occupies the place of the [h]outsider know to say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you are saying? 17For you are giving thanks well enough,but the other person is not edified. 18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19nevertheless, in church I prefer to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Tongues are used for personal & corporate worship, instruction, edification, & comfort. The reason is plain why we should interpret them: No one knows what's being said otherwise.

It's sad that the modern church abuses them ignorantly for self edification.
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1 Corinthians 14, Paul speaks of “unknown tongues.” These are languages that are unknown to everyone in the congregation and, therefore, need an interpreter, whether it be the speaker (vs. 13) or someone else (vs. 27). The Corinthians were talking in languages which nobody in the congregation knew. If someone is doing that then they “speaketh not unto men, but unto God.” The only one who understands the language is God.

Now, if you are speaking in an unknown language, then you are speaking “mysteries” (vs. 2). These are not mysteries as in 1 Corinthians 4:1; these are mysteries insomuch as no one understands what you are saying.

“Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he UNDERSTANDETH not what thou sayest?” Notice the second thing about this. “Howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.” In the what? Well, that isn’t the Holy Spirit.

And everytime we see an angel speak its usually in hebrew .
 
CS1 said:
I guess Paul was heathen. When he under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said :

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.


The idea that one cannot worship God in an unknown tongue is not what Paul said here, you can do both. Some continue to rip out verses to build a false narrative.


1cor 14:2

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

The idea that Speaking to God by the Holy Spirit is a heathen practice is igonance.
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Also I'm not sure its saying ' in the Holy Spirit ' . But in our spirit .
 
Beez said:
Kelby, I haven't read much of what is written in these posts here, but you and I disagree regarding your statement, "And to put it simply, thank God that he's the only one who can give speaking in tongues to anyone." :confused: Initially, I write this because I was reared around people who did this, and I have seen it faked time and time again, and errant people called it "tongues," believed it was "tongues," defined it as "tongues," practiced it as "tongues," and taught it as "tongues." And while I do not want to admit any more than that I have seen and heard "tongues" that originated from the satan, I have been there for this. And furthermore, there are godless religions on this earth which do "tongues." You can find these on the Internet.

Having been around such for 58 of my years, my main response to such persons is pity with prayer for G_D's mercy for them.
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Well, I guess I'd ask you to clarify what you mean by "faked" because that implies recognition that there is a "real" and the ability to differentiate between the two.

Also, I'm not supporting faked tongues. I'm talking about the kind that comes with receiving the Holy Ghost, that sometimes a person doesn't even know exists until they are seeking God and he just pours it upon them as he did to the disciples in Acts 2 and Cornelius' group in Acts 10. And can also be granted through help of others...as was given at laying on of hands in Acts 19 and Acts 8.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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