Which Gospel did the churches at Galatia receive?

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throughfaith

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1¶Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3¶Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel :

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10¶For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

(cf. Acts 9:1–25 )
11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

phil36

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11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.


You answered your own question Paul like the other Apostles got the good news from God.

Another interesting point is that Paul was an expert in the scriptures already before Jesus opened His eyes. Jesus taught Paul exactly like he taught others.


Luke 24:44-49

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And see, I am sending upon you what my Father promised; so stay here in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”



We see that there is a continuity in scripture and not a division by what Paul says here:


10 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Paul is talking to gentiles, yet says that our ''fathers'' referring to the OT.
 

throughfaith

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You answered your own question Paul like the other Apostles got the good news from God.

Another interesting point is that Paul was an expert in the scriptures already before Jesus opened His eyes. Jesus taught Paul exactly like he taught others.


Luke 24:44-49

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And see, I am sending upon you what my Father promised; so stay here in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”



We see that there is a continuity in scripture and not a division by what Paul says here:


10 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Paul is talking to gentiles, yet says that our ''fathers'' referring to the OT.
Is Jesus speaking to Paul in Luke 24 ?
 

phil36

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Is Jesus speaking to Paul in Luke 24 ?

No Paul was still a Pharisee at that point. Jesus opened Paul's eyes to the truth of scripture about himself later on.
 

throughfaith

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You answered your own question Paul like the other Apostles got the good news from God.

Another interesting point is that Paul was an expert in the scriptures already before Jesus opened His eyes. Jesus taught Paul exactly like he taught others.


Luke 24:44-49

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And see, I am sending upon you what my Father promised; so stay here in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”



We see that there is a continuity in scripture and not a division by what Paul says here:


10 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Paul is talking to gentiles, yet says that our ''fathers'' referring to the OT.
Where does it say Paul is talking to gentiles here ? :

1¶Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

I can't see ' Gentiles ' here ? The majority at corinth would be mainly Jewish. Thats who he is clearly addressing when he says ' our fathers'
 

throughfaith

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No Paul was still a Pharisee at that point. Jesus opened Paul's eyes to the truth of scripture about himself later on.
So why not go to a verse where Paul actually tells you the Gospel he recieved ? Why go to a verse where Paul is not even on the scene yet ?
 

phil36

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Where does it say Paul is talking to gentiles here ? :

1¶Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

I can't see ' Gentiles ' here ? The majority at corinth would be mainly Jewish. Thats who he is clearly addressing when he says ' our fathers'


Paul was writing to the church in Crorinth so that would have included Jews and gentiles together. It is a letter in response to questions he received or problems he had heard of.

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me (etc).



So when Paul says:

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike.[/QUOTE]
 

throughfaith

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You answered your own question Paul like the other Apostles got the good news from God.

Another interesting point is that Paul was an expert in the scriptures already before Jesus opened His eyes. Jesus taught Paul exactly like he taught others.


Luke 24:44-49

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And see, I am sending upon you what my Father promised; so stay here in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”



We see that there is a continuity in scripture and not a division by what Paul says here:


10 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Paul is talking to gentiles, yet says that our ''fathers'' referring to the OT.
God did not stop talking in the Four Gospel s and Acts . You have to keep reading.
 

throughfaith

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Paul was writing to the church in Crorinth so that would have included Jews and gentiles together. It is a letter in response to questions he received or problems he had heard of.

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me (etc).



So when Paul says:

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike.
[/QUOTE]
So all our Gentile Father's were under the cloud? Really ?
 

phil36

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So all our Gentile Father's were under the cloud? Really ?

That's not what Paul said. Here's what he said again. when he told all the brothers in Corinth:


10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike.
 

throughfaith

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That's not what Paul said. Here's what he said again. when he told all the brothers in Corinth:


10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike.
Your ignoring ' Our Fathers ' It seems like Paul is addressing these Jewish bretheren .
 

throughfaith

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That's not what Paul said. Here's what he said again. when he told all the brothers in Corinth:


10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike.
Acts 18.8
8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. Heres a clue. Most of the early church were Jews .
 

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Acts 18.8
8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. Heres a clue. Most of the early church were Jews .

so who are the 'brothers and sisters' Paul writes to in 1 Corinthians?
 

throughfaith

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Who are the ones?
the core of the Corinthian church was made up of Jewish believers (Acts 18:8). When he addresses the “brethren,” in verse 1, and uses the expression “our fathers,” he is speaking to Jewish believers in Corinth who know their Old Testament.
 

phil36

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the core of the Corinthian church was made up of Jewish believers (Acts 18:8). When he addresses the “brethren,” in verse 1, and uses the expression “our fathers,” he is speaking to Jewish believers in Corinth who know their Old Testament.
Yes the church at Corinth had some Jews (1Cor 7:18-19). However, the main part of the body where Gentiles (1Cor 6:9-11, 1Cor 8:7, 1Cor 12:2).

So when Paul says brother in his letter to the Corinthian he is referring to both Jew and Gentile believers. Because gentiles are grafted in. Paul labours this point.


----19 So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God’s holy people. You are members of God’s family.



----17 But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree. 18 But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.


So when Paul says brothers in 1 Corinthians 10 he is now referring to all Christians Both Jew and gentile.

----10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike. There is no ''division'' in scripture Paul is showing it's continuity. from OT to NT
 

throughfaith

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Yes the church at Corinth had some Jews (1Cor 7:18-19). However, the main part of the body where Gentiles (1Cor 6:9-11, 1Cor 8:7, 1Cor 12:2).

So when Paul says brother in his letter to the Corinthian he is referring to both Jew and Gentile believers. Because gentiles are grafted in. Paul labours this point.


----19 So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God’s holy people. You are members of God’s family.



----17 But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree. 18 But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.


So when Paul says brothers in 1 Corinthians 10 he is now referring to all Christians Both Jew and gentile.

----10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Here we see Paul says brothers.. that is to all the Christians in Corinth jew and Gentile alike. There is no ''division'' in scripture Paul is showing it's continuity. from OT to NT
Lol its like ' our Father's ' is not even noticed . I truly don't understand how some read.