Regarding sin, forgiveness and moral responsibility

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Blackpowderduelist

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VickyK said:
No. They just say 'this was in the past, move on'.
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Well maybe they don't get to be your friend. Clearly they don't care how it hurt you. Sometimes you just move on forgive in your heart but know they aren't going to be your friend because they don't care if they hurt you. Sadly this happens. You can forgive and move on with out them.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
In Adam all die
how one be declared dead because of Adam unless they share in his guilt?
That and his dual gospel theory has proved him to be in err no matter what group you wish to place him under
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Were looking for what scripture SAYS not " how one be declared dead because of Adam unless they share in his guilt?" Your reasoning is faulty. It doesn't naturally follow from one conclusion to the other .
 
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Shedding bad relationships is a wise thing to do, and if we're doing wise things, then who should feel better about themselves than the wise?

We need to believe in ourselves.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
In Adam all die
how one be declared dead because of Adam unless they share in his guilt?
That and his dual gospel theory has proved him to be in err no matter what group you wish to place him under
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Then you must believe babies and little children die in sin and are condemned to hellfire. Yes?
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Well maybe they don't get to be your friend. Clearly they don't care how it hurt you. Sometimes you just move on forgive in your heart but know they aren't going to be your friend because they don't care if they hurt you. Sadly this happens. You can forgive and move on with out them.
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I am so very sad. They claim to be Christian also.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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VickyK said:
I am so very sad. They claim to be Christian also.
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I'm sorry dear sister in Christ. Not all who say they are actually are.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
I'm sorry dear sister in Christ. Not all who say they are actually are.
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I used to be one of them. I once thought I was a "master" of certain doctrines. I really, really believed that I was saved and that nothing could separate me from the Love of Christ. I was so lost.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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VickyK said:
No. They just say 'this was in the past, move on'.
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hard to move on, When they refuse to acknowledge their sin. In fact. It just shows a issue in their hardened heart and they do not want to confront it. They why they respond that way. Deep down they know!

It makes it even worse when we forgive and love them. I think the word calls it like pouring hot coals over their head. That is why it draws such angry reaction from them. Because again, Deep down they know.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
I used to be one of them. I once thought I was a "master" of certain doctrines. I really, really believed that I was saved and that nothing could separate me from the Love of Christ. I was so lost.
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you do not believe this now?
 
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Col 3.13
13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
I used to be one of them. I once thought I was a "master" of certain doctrines. I really, really believed that I was saved and that nothing could separate me from the Love of Christ. I was so lost.
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I think we all have
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
you do not believe this now?
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Uggg . . . I cropped off the explanatory part of my message . . . as I am trying not to be so wordy. Didn't work out in my favor this time.

Yes, I do believe that I am untouchable in the Spiritual Way. What I meant to say that I once believed these things, though I did not submit to Christ . . . ever. In fact, I was living an unbelievable life of sin. I had a great time, for sure, but I was not a True Christian. I was a person that lived under the Effect of Adam and Eve's work . . . the Sinful Nature. Hence, I was lost.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
I'm sorry dear sister in Christ. Not all who say they are actually are.
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I have even implored of him to think WWJD, but he just says 'forgive and move on'. Forgiveness is granted more to he who forgives, than he who is forgiven. Forgiveness is not a free 'get out of jail card'. Forgiveness is saying to someone 'you have done wrong to but it will not define our relationship'. It does not grant someone impunity. I've also invited him to consider that I cannot forgive him, if he does not consider that he might have wronged me.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
hard to move on, When they refuse to acknowledge their sin. In fact. It just shows a issue in their hardened heart and they do not want to confront it. They why they respond that way. Deep down they know!

It makes it even worse when we forgive and love them. I think the word calls it like pouring hot coals over their head. That is why it draws such angry reaction from them. Because again, Deep down they know.
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It is their loss, which saddens me the most. If you cannot confront your wrongdoings now, how do you expect to confront them before the Most High?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Uggg . . . I cropped off the explanatory part of my message . . . as I am trying not to be so wordy. Didn't work out in my favor this time.

Yes, I do believe that I am untouchable in the Spiritual Way. What I meant to say that I once believed these things, though I did not submit to Christ . . . ever. In fact, I was living an unbelievable life of sin. I had a great time, for sure, but I was not a True Christian. I was a person that lived under the Effect of Adam and Eve's work . . . the Sinful Nature. Hence, I was lost.
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Whew, Worried me there for a minute.

Yeah sadly we have so many who go to these extremes. think they can Have a get out of Jail card and sin all at the same time.
 
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throughfaith said:
Were looking for what scripture SAYS not " how one be declared dead because of Adam unless they share in his guilt?" Your reasoning is faulty. It doesn't naturally follow from one conclusion to the other .
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Wow, let's get back to the OPs issue with her friend y'all and not derail with another issue. Take it up in another post folks.
 
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kaylagrl

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VickyK said:
No. They just say 'this was in the past, move on'.
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I had a very bad issue like this with my BIL. He emailed me a very nasty letter and said very hurtful things. We kept on a back and forth and it was hurting the family. Finally I asked a third party to step in and bring peace to the situation. It worked. We asked forgiveness through the third party and we haven't had an issue since. We hug when we see each other, joke together and the past is in the past. Is there anyone who could do this in your situation?
 
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kaylagrl said:
I had a very bad issue like this with my BIL. He emailed me a very nasty letter and said very hurtful things. We kept on a back and forth and it was hurting the family. Finally I asked a third party to step in and bring peace to the situation. It worked. We asked forgiveness through the third party and we haven't had an issue since. We hug when we see each other, joke together and the past is in the past. Is there anyone who could do this in your situation?
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I'm glad you manged to resolve things.

No.
 
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VickyK said:
I have even implored of him to think WWJD, but he just says 'forgive and move on'. Forgiveness is granted more to he who forgives, than he who is forgiven. Forgiveness is not a free 'get out of jail card'. Forgiveness is saying to someone you have done wrong too but it will not define our relationship'. It does not grant someone impunity. I've also invited him to consider that I cannot forgive him, if he does not consider that he might have wronged me.
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Scripture seems to be clear, that if a person comes to the one whom they have offended, and Repents, it is [then] that we offer forgiveness. I think it is better to forgive regardless, but a person does seem to be justified if they [do not] forgive if a person refuses to Repent (which means to turn, or, to change.)

Luke 17:3 KJV - "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
 
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