Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[TheDivineWatermark]

Ok if Jesus is firstfruits and not taken to heaven how does that work out in the realm of purpose.?

Are you asking me about "Jesus" or "the many" who came out of their graves at the time of His resurrection? (Or are you asking about "the 144,000"?)

Because, I already said Jesus did go up to Heaven on the day of His resurrection (after talking with MM, John 20:17), but came back and they saw Him later that same day/evening.

Sorry, I'm not trackin' with your question... can you re-phrase?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
"who, pray tell, goes into the kingdom to Re-populate it for 1000 years"? Any verse?"

Given all the above, it is clear that all the unbelievers who survived the Trib will repopulate the earth. Which explains WHY there will even be another rebellion at the end of the 1,000 years of Christ' reign with a rod of iron, when Satan is loosened for a short time.
Rev 20 explains all about Satan. If believers repopulate the earth after the Trib, then WHY WHY WHY would any of them rebel against Christ at the end of the 1,000 years?

So the only reasonable explanation for the battle of Gog and Magog (Satan's rebellion) is that Christ is ruling unbelievers during the Millennium.

I've posted about this...

--only "the righteous" ("BLESSED" / "saints" / believers) will ENTER the MK age--some as "resurrected ['to stand again' [on the earth]" because they died (and are "LIKE ANGELS"); but some as "still-living" in mortal bodies capable of reproducing/bearing children;

--[re: the still-living/mortal (saints) who ENTER the MK age] they go on to bear children and have grandchildren, and so on... but the ones born TO them and TO their children (etc) are not "BORN automatically RIGHTEOUS"; "death" will be much more rare, reserved only for the rebellious (not merely for those "born" and thereafter existing in the MK age); since they aren't "BORN automatically RIGHTEOUS," these are the ONLY ones who will be susceptible to "death" in the MK age... and at the END of the MK age, [meaning, their descendants] would be the ones who would be those whom Satan would "go out to deceive... to gather them to battle..." at that time

So, non-glorified believers enter the Millennial kingdom, and re-populate the earth. That would sure start off that generation on the right foot, by these believers having a strong influence on evangalizing their children, etc.

So, please explain how Satan is able to deceive ALL of them when he is released at the end of the 1,000 years? That makes no sense.

From Matt 5, we learn that Jesus taught that the Millennial reign would be with a "rod of iron". Why would that be needed if the whole generation was begun with believers?

No, Jesus was clear that mankind would be ruled according to the SPIRIT of the Law, not the LETTER of the law.

Matt 5-
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus did that, perfectly.

Here are several examples of being judged on the SPIRIT of the law, rather than the LETTER of the law:

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’
22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So, the only reasonable explanation of WHY humanity rebels against Jesus Christ as a perfect Ruler is that unbelievers will become very resentful of being judged on the SPIRIT of the law.

This is what occurs at the end of the Millennial Reign:

Rev 20-
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

What immediately follows this is the GWT judgment, where ALL unbelievers, who have all died by this time, will stand before the King to be judged according to the books, to decide "how tolerable" it will be for them when they are cast into the lake of fire.

So, per the books, it will be quite a bit LESS tolerable, and for some, quite a bit more tolerable, but all will be IN the LoF.

I look forward to your defense of how a generation begun by believers will be so deceived by Satan as to hate God's people and will be motivated to kill them.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

From Matt 5, we learn that Jesus taught that the Millennial reign would be with a "rod of iron". Why would that be needed if the whole generation was begun with believers?

You seem to believe that "rod of iron" refers only to "negative" things... I've posted before about (re: "rod of iron"), thus:

--Psalm 2 (in its entirety) seems to show both "positive" as well as the "negative" in association with the "rod of iron" (not merely the "shall dash in pieces" aspect, alone) [see also Psalm 72--the "KING" chpt];

--"rule" (Rev19) is the same word as is translated "feed" in Rev7:17 in a context parallel to Isaiah 49:10 (an earthly MK age context), which is the "destination-location" for this "a great multitude... of all the nations" who are shown as "coming out of the great tribulation [2nd half]" ("having been invited" [DURING the trib] via the msg in Matt24:14 [26:13] "to all the nations" and Matt22:9-14 [Rev19:9, distinct from 19:7])--so incorporates also "feed" (a 'positive') rather than merely "dash in pieces" (seemingly 'negative');

--"rod" (Rev19) is the same word as is translated "sceptre" in Heb1:8, "...to the Son he saith: : 'Thy throne, O God, is to the age [singular] of the age [singular]; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign"--so one of "righteousness";

--"iron"... in contrast to the last section of the beast kingdom (having just concluded, upon His "RETURN" to the earth) which was "partly iron, partly clay / partly strong, partly fragile" (Dan2:42)--so being only "strong [/iron]"... a rod/sceptre [/reign] of "strength"



... thus, a "rod/sceptre of righteousness and strength" with which He will judge/govern/rule in the earthly MK age

("death" being much more rare in the MK age, reserved ONLY for the rebellious [who will be among the "dead [/unsaved]" at the GWTj, along with the "dead [/unsaved]" of all times])

 

[Absolutely]

Are you asking me about "Jesus" or "the many" who came out of their graves at the time of His resurrection? (Or are you asking about "the 144,000"?)

Because, I already said Jesus did go up to Heaven on the day of His resurrection (after talking with MM, John 20:17), but came back and they saw Him later that same day/evening.

Sorry, I'm not trackin' with your question... can you re-phrase?

The 144k are firstfruit Jews but you say are not cought up to heaven.

So how are they firstfruits?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
From Matt 5, we learn that Jesus taught that the Millennial reign would be with a "rod of iron". Why would that be needed if the whole generation was begun with believers?

You seem to believe that "rod of iron" refers only to "negative" things...

I never even suggested "negative things". My point was that Jesus Christ will rule strictly. That's not "negative" in any sense. And unbelievers will resent it highly. It will be quite negative for them, sure, but a strict rule isn't negative in and of itself.

I've posted before about (re: "rod of iron"), thus:

--Psalm 2 (in its entirety) seems to show both "positive" as well as the "negative" in association with the "rod of iron" (not merely the "shall dash in pieces" aspect, alone) [see also Psalm 72--the "KING" chpt];

--"rule" (Rev19) is the same word as is translated "feed" in Rev7:17 in a context parallel to Isaiah 49:10 (an earthly MK age context), which is the "destination-location" for this "a great multitude... of all the nations" who are shown as "coming out of the great tribulation [2nd half]" ("having been invited" [DURING the trib] via the msg in Matt24:14 [26:13] "to all the nations" and Matt22:9-14 [Rev19:9, distinct from 19:7])--so incorporates also "feed" (a 'positive') rather than merely "dash in pieces" (seemingly 'negative');

--"rod" (Rev19) is the same word as is translated "sceptre" in Heb1:8, "...to the Son he saith: : 'Thy throne, O God, is to the age [singular] of the age [singular]; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign"--so one of "righteousness";

--"iron"... in contrast to the last section of the beast kingdom (having just concluded, upon His "RETURN" to the earth) which was "partly iron, partly clay / partly strong, partly fragile" (Dan2:42)--so being only "strong [/iron]"... a rod/sceptre [/reign] of "strength"

... thus, a "rod/sceptre of righteousness and strength" with which He will judge/govern/rule in the earthly MK age

("death" being much more rare in the MK age, reserved ONLY for the rebellious [who will be among the "dead [/unsaved]" at the GWTj, along with the "dead [/unsaved]" of all times])

Again, you have posted a lot but I am not seeing any point to all of it.

And you didn't address my point that Matt 5 shows that Jesus will rule according to the SPIRIT of the law rather than the LETTER of the law.

Do you not understand what that means?

And, you didn't explain WHY the Millennial generation, supposedly begun by believers, would end up siding with Satan.

Believers and family would LOVE being ruled by Christ, would they not?

It's unbelievers who would resent the strict rule, and not getting away with their attitudes and motivations.

 

[Absolutely]

FreeGrace2 said:
From Matt 5, we learn that Jesus taught that the Millennial reign would be with a "rod of iron". Why would that be needed if the whole generation was begun with believers?

I never even suggested "negative things". My point was that Jesus Christ will rule strictly. That's not "negative" in any sense. And unbelievers will resent it highly. It will be quite negative for them, sure, but a strict rule isn't negative in and of itself.


Again, you have posted a lot but I am not seeing any point to all of it.

And you didn't address my point that Matt 5 shows that Jesus will rule according to the SPIRIT of the law rather than the LETTER of the law.

Do you not understand what that means?

And, you didn't explain WHY the Millennial generation, supposedly begun by believers, would end up siding with Satan.

Believers and family would LOVE being ruled by Christ, would they not?

It's unbelievers who would resent the strict rule, and not getting away with their attitudes and motivations.

The millineum will have believers and non believers.
After a thousand years many generations will have transpired.

Then the final rebellion with their general satan.

 

[Absolutely]

7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.



11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Ok ...this is exactly the dynamic in the 10 virgin parable. And in Noah. And in lot.

All three have that dynamic of a " cut off"
( Postrib rapture theory has that backwards. They tell us ” AFTER THE FLOOD/ SODOM/ JUDGEMENT, the "cut off" occurs.


12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus

That does not fit a postrib rapture.

I have never seen a postrib rapture adherent be moved by any expectency of Jesus Coming soon as in immediately or even a year from now.

But they ARE looking for the devil on a white horse.

Any so many in the debate say we are decieved. ....Facepalm

Even the foolish virgins that neglected intimacy ( oil) had enough discernment to wait with the wise for Jesus to come at any moment, outside some test of God's wrath.
( But NOWHERE in Lot,Noah, the 10 virgins,acts 1, the escape of the baby Jesus, or the 2 escape verses by Jesus do we see any such testing ,great tribulation,or wrath THAT MUST TAKE PLACE FIRST....NOWHERE)

ALL OF THE RAPTURE DYNAMICS ARE APART FROM ANY SUCH JUDGEMENT/ WRATH/ TESTING/ GREAT TRIBULATION


COME LORD JESUS!!!!!

THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!

 

[FreeGrace2]

The millineum will have believers and non believers.

I never said there wouldn't be believers. I said only unbelievers will enter the Millennium. That doesn't mean there won't be those who will believe during the Millennium.

After a thousand years many generations will have transpired.

Yep.

Then the final rebellion with their general satan.

So you believe that believers only enter the Millennium, but after a number of generations, most of the world will side with Satan, huh?

 

[ewq1938]

So you believe that believers only enter the Millennium, but after a number of generations, most of the world will side with Satan, huh?

Revelation 20 only describes a large amount but doesn't say if that's all or most or what percentage.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Revelation 20 only describes a large amount but doesn't say if that's all or most or what percentage.

I can't remember; are you a pre-tribber or post-tribber, or something else?

If a post-tribber, then it would be impossible for ANY mortal believer to enter the Millennium, since all believers are glorified when Christ comes back.

If a pre-tribber, what mortal believers are left to enter the Millennium?

Thanks.

 

[Absolutely]

I never said there wouldn't be believers. I said only unbelievers will enter the Millennium. That doesn't mean there won't be those who will believe during the Millennium.


Yep.


So you believe that believers only enter the Millennium, but after a number of generations, most of the world will side with Satan, huh?

Both enter the mil....believers and non believers

 

[ewq1938]

I can't remember; are you a pre-tribber or post-tribber, or something else?

If a post-tribber, then it would be impossible for ANY mortal believer to enter the Millennium, since all believers are glorified when Christ comes back.

Glorified people can and will enter the Millennium. It is they that rule with Christ over the mortals.

 

[Truth7t7]

FreeGrace2 said:
"who, pray tell, goes into the kingdom to Re-populate it for 1000 years"? Any verse?"

Given all the above, it is clear that all the unbelievers who survived the Trib will repopulate the earth. Which explains WHY there will even be another rebellion at the end of the 1,000 years of Christ' reign with a rod of iron, when Satan is loosened for a short time.
Rev 20 explains all about Satan. If believers repopulate the earth after the Trib, then WHY WHY WHY would any of them rebel against Christ at the end of the 1,000 years?

So the only reasonable explanation for the battle of Gog and Magog (Satan's rebellion) is that Christ is ruling unbelievers during the Millennium.

So, non-glorified believers enter the Millennial kingdom, and re-populate the earth. That would sure start off that generation on the right foot, by these believers having a strong influence on evangalizing their children, etc.

So, please explain how Satan is able to deceive ALL of them when he is released at the end of the 1,000 years? That makes no sense.

From Matt 5, we learn that Jesus taught that the Millennial reign would be with a "rod of iron". Why would that be needed if the whole generation was begun with believers?

No, Jesus was clear that mankind would be ruled according to the SPIRIT of the Law, not the LETTER of the law.

Matt 5-
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus did that, perfectly.

Here are several examples of being judged on the SPIRIT of the law, rather than the LETTER of the law:

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’
22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So, the only reasonable explanation of WHY humanity rebels against Jesus Christ as a perfect Ruler is that unbelievers will become very resentful of being judged on the SPIRIT of the law.

This is what occurs at the end of the Millennial Reign:

Rev 20-
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

What immediately follows this is the GWT judgment, where ALL unbelievers, who have all died by this time, will stand before the King to be judged according to the books, to decide "how tolerable" it will be for them when they are cast into the lake of fire.

So, per the books, it will be quite a bit LESS tolerable, and for some, quite a bit more tolerable, but all will be IN the LoF.

I look forward to your defense of how a generation begun by believers will be so deceived by Satan as to hate God's people and will be motivated to kill them.

The Fact Is, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving The Heavens And Earth By Fire.

Many desire to see Jesus Christ return, and start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, many dont want to acknowledge the fire at the Lords Appearance, Revealing, because their Millennial Kingdom on this Earth is (Gone)

The Lord Jesus Christ Appears, Reveals, In (FIRE)

There wont be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus Christ will return in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Destroyed Them All" At His Revealing (Fact)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

At His Presence, The World Is Burned, And "All" That Dwell Therein (Fact)

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Bodies Consumed By The Lords Fire In Final Judgement

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

The Heavens And Earth Are (Dissolved)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Both enter the mil....believers and non believers

Please explain non-glorified believers entering the Millennium, with Scriptural evidence.

And, when would such believers receive their glorified bodies?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I can't remember; are you a pre-tribber or post-tribber, or something else?

If a post-tribber, then it would be impossible for ANY mortal believer to enter the Millennium, since all believers are glorified when Christ comes back.

Glorified people can and will enter the Millennium. It is they that rule with Christ over the mortals.

You didn't answr my question: pre-tribber or post-tribber??

Also, all believers are glorified when Jesus returns at the Second Coming. So, yes, they will be part of the Millennial Kingdom, ruling with Christ.

But my comment was about MORTAL believers in the kingdom. Do you believe there will be mortal believers in the Millennium?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The Fact Is, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving The Heavens And Earth By Fire.

Well, that was convenient; just ignore my entire post.

You have NO FACT. Because you have NO EVIDENCE because you have NO SCRIPTURE that supports your claim.

What you DO HAVE is your opinion.

The fire and final judgment follow the GWT in Rev 20:15. That's where Rev 21:1 comes in.

Many desire to see Jesus Christ return, and start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, many dont want to acknowledge the fire at the Lords Appearance, Revealing, because their Millennial Kingdom on this Earth is (Gone)

This sounds like amillennialism.

The Lord Jesus Christ Appears, Reveals, In (FIRE)

Being revealed in fire in no way means He comes and destroys this earth. Again, you have zero evidence of that. Rev 20 destroys your millennialism totally.

There wont be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus Christ will return in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat your opinion, it won't become true.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

"Fire" is used throughout the Bible to refer to God's evaluation/judgment of people. iow, it isn't literal.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Ditto.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Destroyed Them All" At His Revealing (Fact)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

At His Presence, The World Is Burned, And "All" That Dwell Therein (Fact)

None of these verses tells us WHEN the world will melt.

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Ditto.

Bodies Consumed By The Lords Fire In Final Judgement

Refers to the Lake of Fire. See Rev 20:15.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Prophecy regarding the battle of Gog and Magog.

Rev 20-
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Of course, you've ignored the whole of Rev 20.

The Heavens And Earth Are (Dissolved)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Doesn't say WHEN.

Since you deny/reject/ignore Rev 20, there's no use trying to explain TRUTH to you. AFTER the GWT judgment is finished, THEN the present and earth will "pass away" (21:1) or "melt in fervent heat" (2 Peter 3:10) and all the glorified believers will find themselves on the new earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, that was convenient; just ignore my entire post.

You have NO FACT. Because you have NO EVIDENCE because you have NO SCRIPTURE that supports your claim.

What you DO HAVE is your opinion.

The fire and final judgment follow the GWT in Rev 20:15. That's where Rev 21:1 comes in.


This sounds like amillennialism.


Being revealed in fire in no way means He comes and destroys this earth. Again, you have zero evidence of that. Rev 20 destroys your millennialism totally.


Doesn't matter how many times you repeat your opinion, it won't become true.


"Fire" is used throughout the Bible to refer to God's evaluation/judgment of people. iow, it isn't literal.


Ditto.


None of these verses tells us WHEN the world will melt.


Ditto.


Refers to the Lake of Fire. See Rev 20:15.


Prophecy regarding the battle of Gog and Magog.

Rev 20-
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Of course, you've ignored the whole of Rev 20.


Doesn't say WHEN.

Since you deny/reject/ignore Rev 20, there's no use trying to explain TRUTH to you. AFTER the GWT judgment is finished, THEN the present and earth will "pass away" (21:1) or "melt in fervent heat" (2 Peter 3:10) and all the glorified believers will find themselves on the new earth.

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

Already been through this. Kinda getting tired.

Since you don't believe the number "1,000", which occurs 6 times in Revelation 20 refers to time, please explain each of these verses that what is being referred to.

Rev 20-
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Also note the words "ended" and "are over". If time is not what 1,000 years mean, then also explain what is being "ended" and "are over".

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you asking me about "Jesus" or "the many" who came out of their graves at the time of His resurrection? (Or are you asking about "the 144,000"?)

Because, I already said Jesus did go up to Heaven on the day of His resurrection (after talking with MM, John 20:17), but came back and they saw Him later that same day/evening.

Sorry, I'm not trackin' with your question... can you re-phrase?

Awesome post, I can read that perfectly, I knew you could do it!

 

[Truth7t7]

Already been through this. Kinda getting tired.

Since you don't believe the number "1,000", which occurs 6 times in Revelation 20 refers to time, please explain each of these verses that what is being referred to.

Rev 20-
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Also note the words "ended" and "are over". If time is not what 1,000 years mean, then also explain what is being "ended" and "are over".

The Scripture is very clear, easy to understand

(If You Can "Remove" Bias For A Millennium On Earth)?

(Vs. 4) Below John saw (SOULS) of beheaded tribulation saints, that are physically dead.

(Vs. 5) John again confirms the (SOULS) are dead with the statement (The Rest Of The Dead)

The dead (Souls) live and reign with Jesus Christ in the (Spiritual Realm) of no time, one day is a thousand years 2 Peter 3:8 (Be Not Ignorant)

You cant claim the (SOULS) have physical bodies, when the scripture clearly teaches, they are physically dead

Will you bend and twist the very clear presented truth?

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.