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2ndTimothyGroup said:
When you read the Book of Jubilees, what was your honest conclusion?
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the " little genesis in light of the book of Genesis is all the reason to not hold the book of jubilees as inspired. That is explained in the Introduction of the book of jubilees.

Secondly, it is a biblical error to look at any book to legitimize the 66. One must look at the 66, to see if other books have value and most importantly TRUTH> #1

So how does it measure up to those of other Biblical writings?

  • Book of Jubilees is written in Ethiopian
the Book of Jubilees should be in the Bible?

  • we must first recognize the fact that God is the One at work in the Scriptures, and if He wanted the Book of Jubilees as a part of Scripture, no man (or Satan) could have prevented it.
  • Part of the problem with the Book of Jubilees is that so little remains of original writings that there is no way to determine if the book as it now exists is the same book that was originally written. This is one huge reason that the Book of Jubilees fails the standards of the canon of scripture.
The answer is No. or it would have been. that is why the book of jubilees is known by all orthodox Christianity and Hebratic theologians as Pseudepigrapha literally means “false writings.


That would never be attached to the 66 books of the Bible.
 
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CS1 said:
the " little genesis in light of the book of Genesis is all the reason to not hold the book of jubilees as inspired. That is explained in the Introduction of the book of jubilees.

Secondly, it is a biblical error to look at any book to legitimize the 66. One must look at the 66, to see if other books have value and most importantly TRUTH> #1

So how does it measure up to those of other Biblical writings?

  • Book of Jubilees is written in Ethiopian
the Book of Jubilees should be in the Bible?

  • we must first recognize the fact that God is the One at work in the Scriptures, and if He wanted the Book of Jubilees as a part of Scripture, no man (or Satan) could have prevented it.
  • Part of the problem with the Book of Jubilees is that so little remains of original writings that there is no way to determine if the book as it now exists is the same book that was originally written. This is one huge reason that the Book of Jubilees fails the standards of the canon of scripture.
The answer is No. or it would have been. that is why the book of jubilees is known by all orthodox Christianity and Hebratic theologians as Pseudepigrapha literally means “false writings.


That would never be attached to the 66 books of the Bible.
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Have you read the entire Book of Jubilees?
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Have you read the entire Book of Jubilees?
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No, I have not the book is not even completed lol. You have to read it all either LOL.

So many Christian have not even read the 66 from Gen to REV or know the context properly.
 
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CS1 said:
No, I have not the book is not even completed lol. You have to read it all either LOL.
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That's what I figured. You have opinions regarding things you know nothing about. I do give you credit, though, for telling the shameful Truth. Have a good day.
 
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That's what I figured. You have opinions regarding things you know nothing about. I do give you credit, though, for telling the shameful Truth. Have a good day.
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you can insult all you want what I have read which was not all is irrelevant.

Have you read the entire Bible of the 66?
And do you hold the book of jubilees, in the same way, the books of the bible as the authoritative word of God? I would like to know?
 
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That's what I figured. You have opinions regarding things you know nothing about. I do give you credit, though, for telling the shameful Truth. Have a good day.
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Yea fault one for not reading all of a Pseudepigrapha literally means “false writings. lol
 
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CS1 said:
you can insult all you want what I have read which was not all is irrelevant.

Have you read the entire Bible of the 66?
And do you hold the book of jubilees, in the same way, the books of the bible as the authoritative word of God? I would like to know?
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Yes. I try to read the entire Bible twice per year in a timeline, chronological order so as to actually understand the full story and context of the Bible. For a couple of years, now, I have been writing a personal commentary on the entire Bible that centers upon the Core of the Bible, which is the Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision.

As for BOJ, my opinion will not change beyond this: I find no contradictions in any way, shape or form to the ultimate Plan of God. This is my final response to your point if you're going to continue to be contentious over things you haven't even read. That is not time well spent for anyone . . . not even the poor folks who might be reading our absolutely fruitless comments.

Have a good day.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Yes. I try to read the entire Bible twice per year in a timeline, chronological order so as to actually understand the full story and context of the Bible. For a couple of years, now, I have been writing a personal commentary on the entire Bible that centers upon the Core of the Bible, which is the Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision.

As for BOJ, my opinion will not change beyond this: I find no contradictions in any way, shape or form to the ultimate Plan of God. This is my final response to your point if you're going to continue to be contentious over things you haven't even read. That is not time well spent for anyone . . . not even the poor folks who might be reading our absolutely fruitless comments.

Have a good day.
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I see you did not answer my question, I will ask it again. Please do not create monster in my pithy responses.

I asked you if do you hold the book of jubilees, in the same way, the books of the bible as the authoritative word of God? I would like to know?

Thank you,

CS1
 
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If Heaven is an extra dimension, did the Garden of Eden (before original sin) have an extra dimension preserving it?
 
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CS1 said:
I asked you if do you hold the book of jubilees, in the same way, the books of the bible as the authoritative word of God? I would like to know?

Thank you,

CS1
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Sorry my friend . . . I'm just now seeing this.

I'd say so, yes. The Book of Jubilees is a beautiful read! I found nothing in it that contracted the Bible and in fact, it further emphasized the core doctrine of the Bible . . . the Circumcision of Christ. I love that book!

I recommend that everyone read it. We find out how Abraham died . . . what a beautiful story.
 
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Dino246 said:
Huh?


No; our first parents sinned, and their sin resulted in the curse on the ground.


"We" weren't in existence before the fall. Adam and Eve were innocent prior to eating the forbidden fruit.


No. See my answer to your second question.


Nothing in Scripture suggests that Eden was a "safe zone".


Again, huh?

Much of your line of questioning seems to be rooted in wild speculations. Read the text of Genesis 1-3. Let that be the foundation of your understanding.
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Genesis is one
Live4Him said:
First of all, at the end of "the sixth day" of creation, "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen. 1:31), so, obviously, nothing was cursed at this point in time.

Secondly, you're making a distinction between "the ground" in the garden and "the ground" outside of the garden, and the verse that you keep on quoting makes no such distinction.

Thirdly, according to what I've already cited for you from Romans chapter 8 twice, nothing on this earth fell or was cursed until after Adam sinned.

Again, that's reality, whether you like it or not.

Okay, the ball is back in your court, so to speak.

Seeing how everything that God had made was very good at the end of the sixth day of creation, show us where things allegedly became cursed between that time and the time of Adam's sin.

Good luck (not that I believe in luck) with that.
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This is one of the best arguments against total depravity....God. Related man and said it was good....no sinful DNA nature at creation in Adam or Eve's being

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in scripture God changed Adams DNA and took away freewill, passing it down to me

They can't because it doesn't say that

Much of accepted "doctrine" is made up guesswork, and us laypersons think the theologians telling us how much smarter they are than us

You are on the right track.....just because your preacher accepts it and doesn't question anything doesn't mean you shouldnt
 
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