In The name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost

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What I find most alluring about the small subtleties between the OneNess View and the Triune View, seems stupid when [BOTH of THEM] preach you must accept Christ in order to come to the Father. I think both views get accepted when the Bible teaches us that WE MUST ACCEPT CHRIST TO COME TO THE FATHER!
 
KingdomBrat said:
What I find most alluring about the small subtleties between the OneNess View and the Triune View, seems stupid when [BOTH of THEM] preach you must accept Christ in order to come to the Father. I think both views get accepted when the Bible teaches us that WE MUST ACCEPT CHRIST TO COME TO THE FATHER!
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Really? So it's ok with you that someone believes that Jesus talks to himself every time He addresses the Father?
BTW, a couple of times up in heaven He answers back.

You're alright with such absurdity?
 
Edify said:
Really? So it's ok with you that someone believes that Jesus talks to himself every time He addresses the Father?
BTW, a couple of times up in heaven He answers back.

You're alright with such absurdity?
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No, I just know God isn't as concerned as some wet behind the ear know it all who could run someone away from God over their retardedness TO BE RIGHT!!
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Un baptized knees ? I’m not sure what your saying in that part are you saying complete submersion is a requirement ?

yes no this post began to share scripture showing the name of God is the name of Jesus Christ the name of the father , son , Holy Ghost is one name Jesus Christ

I’m not sure it is meant to talk about strict rules for baptism at all , that wasn’t the point. The point was Jesus , is the name that matters and the reason I think it’s important is because of scripture revolving around it whether baptism as someone noticed in the op

Or whether remission of sins

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬


salvation itself

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Physical healing which is a glorification of his name

“Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

...(Peter uses this in his testimony about Jesus after this happens )

...And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:6-8, 16‬ ‭

his name is what spread into the gentile people’s and created their faith

“And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:


Even demons know and fear the name of Jesus and shutter and plead

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:29, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I was never trying to insist on details of manner of a baptism , I also don’t understand why anyone who studies scripture would not accept the name of Jesus fully and let it be the name above all Names because for me that’s what scripture like the op creates in my faith and why I shared the scriptures to begin with

to hopefully create a focus on him . Because I believe that’s Gods intent with the gospel to turn all eyes to the lord Jesus so they can be saved

the op was nothing but scripture to those ends that a believer might ponder the scriptures what they actually say and let that form a bit of their thinking regarding his name


“And in that day shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭12:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even prayer is affected in scriptural thought

“Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:24-27‬ ‭


Because all things are being brought under his command that name is Tom me at least important . I’m not sure about how important the details of how exactly we are baptized or of someone specifically says “ in Jesus name “ when baptizing you that is not really
In my thinking either way

but more to share some scripture and let believers wiegh thier value in faith
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KingdomBrat said:
I am not trying to debate which Version we should accept, I just want to bring out something to [light].

If you were to [GOOGLE] Church Fathers/Ancient Historians the [Original Gospel of Matthew was written in Hebrew], you would get literally 10 solid names like Tertulian, Iraneaus, literally a bunch of solid Names VERIFYING that Matthew was actually first written in Hebrew.

But, have you ever read the [Most authentic Hebrew Version of Matthew 28?

Here is the Ending to that Version for Matthew 28"
17 When they saw him they worshipped him, but there were some of them who doubted him.
18 Jesus drew near to them and said to them: To me has been given all power in heaven and earth.
19 Go
20 and (teach) them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever.



So, let's say all those Church Fathers are correct about Matthew being written in Hebrew. What if the Hebrew version is how it really happened and then the Greek translator added the Titles of God?


Just something to ponder.
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It would still mean the same to me. I understand what In the name of means. As to whether Matthew was originally in Hebrew I have read the reason why some have speculated but the majority of scholars who seem to know say that it is mere speculation and nothing has ever been presented that is more than speculation based on certain words used in the Greek manuscripts. I think it is not likely. The majority of Jews did not read and write Hebrew in the first century. I am open to change my mind as I continue to read modern scholars and commentaries I suppose I will continue to read more about where the speculation comes from but so far they keep saying it is most likely not true. And of course the writers you mentioned said many things that you won't agree with when you read it so their being mistaken about this is not surprising. They theorized for the same reason as others. All I am saying is that it is not even close to conclusively proven and doubted by more scholars than those who think it is true.
 
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throughfaith said:
And a commandment of Jesus is superceded if he gives a new directive to a different audience at a later time . Like through Paul.
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Once again this comment shows that you should be learning rather than attempting to teach and mislead others. God never contradicts Himself, and Christ never contradicts Himself. So the commandment of Christ was never superseded.

Hence we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Didache from the second century. And that is still true in the 21t century. And we may disregard Church history at our own peril.

“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
 
KingdomBrat said:
No, I just know God isn't as concerned as some wet behind the ear know it all who could run someone away from God over their retardedness TO BE RIGHT!!
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Do you always play turn the tables on those who ask proper questions? Start a fight & play the blame game to keep from asking a question?

Really? You know how God feels about the Word, Jesus Christ? I wouldn't dare to be so judgmental about knowing God like that.

You didn't make me mad at you & I'm not playing this game of yours, so either answer the question or say nothing.
 
Edify said:
Do you always play turn the tables on those who ask proper questions? Start a fight & play the blame game to keep from asking a question?

Really? You know how God feels about the Word, Jesus Christ? I wouldn't dare to be so judgmental about knowing God like that.

You didn't make me mad at you & I'm not playing this game of yours, so either answer the question or say nothing.
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I am just saying, [WE], who know the Truth, do not have an obligation to those without to destroy and tear them down.


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read this carefully: Mark 12:
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered correctly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Look at Verse 32!
The Scribe specifically tells JESUS to his face there is ONE GOD and no other but HE [100% Singular].

Now would be the time for JESUS to hammer the Scribe with the TRINITY...Right?

NO!

Jesus instead acknowledge's the Scribe is CORRECT and then tells him [Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. ].

So this Scribe walks away thinking GOD is ONE PERSON, and then Jesus confirms it.



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Had that been YOU, I am sure 50 Verses on the Trinity would have been slammed in the Scribes face EVEN THOUGH a Scribe is one WHO KNOWS the Bible better than most. A Scribe makes hand written copies of the Scrolls. You remember what you write. But nonetheless, if Jesus didn't go trinity bazonga on the Scribe, then why should YOU or I do so?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Once again this comment shows that you should be learning rather than attempting to teach and mislead others. God never contradicts Himself, and Christ never contradicts Himself. So the commandment of Christ was never superseded.

Hence we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Didache from the second century. And that is still true in the 21t century. And we may disregard Church history at our own peril.

“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
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I think a lot of people are influenced quite heavily by church history , Especially Catholics and calvinists / Arminians .
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Once again this comment shows that you should be learning rather than attempting to teach and mislead others. God never contradicts Himself, and Christ never contradicts Himself. So the commandment of Christ was never superseded.

Hence we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Didache from the second century. And that is still true in the 21t century. And we may disregard Church history at our own peril.

“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
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I'm not attempting to teach ( " by now ye all ought to be teachers ) on here ,but discuss and compare .
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Once again this comment shows that you should be learning rather than attempting to teach and mislead others. God never contradicts Himself, and Christ never contradicts Himself. So the commandment of Christ was never superseded.

Hence we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Didache from the second century. And that is still true in the 21t century. And we may disregard Church history at our own peril.

“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
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Its not God contradicting himself . When Jesus says he was not sent but to the lost Sheep of the house of Israel, or tells the disciples to not go to the gentiles. Mat 10 , mat 15 we need to notice the transitions in the book of Acts .
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Once again this comment shows that you should be learning rather than attempting to teach and mislead others. God never contradicts Himself, and Christ never contradicts Himself. So the commandment of Christ was never superseded.

Hence we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Didache from the second century. And that is still true in the 21t century. And we may disregard Church history at our own peril.

“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
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whats 'living water '?
 
KingdomBrat said:
Had that been YOU, I am sure 50 Verses on the Trinity would have been slammed in the Scribes face EVEN THOUGH a Scribe is one WHO KNOWS the Bible better than most. A Scribe makes hand written copies of the Scrolls. You remember what you write. But nonetheless, if Jesus didn't go trinity bazonga on the Scribe, then why should YOU or I do so?
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Here we go again with the judgment. Since when have I done such a thing? When have I slammed any one person on this site?
With all of these accusations, you are surely living up to half of your name.:)
 
Scribe said:
It would still mean the same to me. I understand what In the name of means. As to whether Matthew was originally in Hebrew I have read the reason why some have speculated but the majority of scholars who seem to know say that it is mere speculation and nothing has ever been presented that is more than speculation based on certain words used in the Greek manuscripts. I think it is not likely. The majority of Jews did not read and write Hebrew in the first century. I am open to change my mind as I continue to read modern scholars and commentaries I suppose I will continue to read more about where the speculation comes from but so far they keep saying it is most likely not true. And of course the writers you mentioned said many things that you won't agree with when you read it so their being mistaken about this is not surprising. They theorized for the same reason as others. All I am saying is that it is not even close to conclusively proven and doubted by more scholars than those who think it is true.
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I would agree
 
Edify said:
Here we go again with the judgment. Since when have I done such a thing? When have I slammed any one person on this site?
With all of these accusations, you are surely living up to half of your name.:)
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You're right, I apologize. I am use to some who jump in right here to bash those who view things differently. I apologize to You!
 
I was wrong!

But back to the topic.

If a Scribe, in Mark 12 describes God as a single person, and lavishes praise in 2 verses towards a Singular Person God. And then we see JESUS confirming what the Scribe claims, does put the original Hebrew Matthew 28 into perfect perspective.
 
BTW, I am not making a case for anything here. I am taking what we know from our Apostles, to their Disciples, to eventual Church Fathers and Historians and how they confirm Matthew being factually written originally in the Hebrew Language + those same Church Fathers and Historians claim Peter spoke the words of the Book of Mark to his Disciple Mark who wrote it down into the Greek. And Ironically, the original Hebrew Matthew 28 and Mark 12 confirm one another.

Is it a coincidence?
Maybe!

Is it something the Holy Spirit would later want us to discover like now?
Maybe!

All I know, is if the church Fathers are 100% correct about the origins of the Book of Matthew, today's Greek Matthew ain't nothing like it. Which leads to a simple question, WHY?
 
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