Is Science showing us Creation is still happening?
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An islamic apologist who shall remain nameless here as I do not want to promote him, does lectures about how science proves quran to be from God.
The Bible is a very large collection of books, ranging from historical accounts to poetry, and because of this wide range of context and subject matter, it can be used to prove almost anything you wish.
A prime example of this is the flat earth vs globe earth argument. Both sides keep quoting verses to each other saying "see? The Bible says it here"
It is the Holy Spirit's job to wake people up to God.
This is not to say it is a waste of time to look into how God did it, and science I believe can indeed strengthen people's faiths. I know me personally if I read about some archeological discovery that matches with the Bible.
The Bible is a very large collection of books, ranging from historical accounts to poetry, and because of this wide range of context and subject matter, it can be used to prove almost anything you wish.
A prime example of this is the flat earth vs globe earth argument. Both sides keep quoting verses to each other saying "see? The Bible says it here"
It is the Holy Spirit's job to wake people up to God.
This is not to say it is a waste of time to look into how God did it, and science I believe can indeed strengthen people's faiths. I know me personally if I read about some archeological discovery that matches with the Bible.
you had asked me in another thread if you could sell me on the idea of alternate histories.
honestly yeah, maybe you can: there is a really, really profound mystery concerning forgiveness of sin, because God - who axiomatically ((IMO)) knows all things at all times - says He will remember our sins no more. that's mind-blowing, because His godhood includes His omniscience. how does omniscience forget? that's an huge question
so your thoughts about how strands of possible time-like manifolds are in a sense chosen through free-will interaction in the probability space, defining a 'true history' via a mechanism of observed causal paths, is really interesting. there's a constraint at play in my mind here because i know where/how that 'history manifold' becomes realized: this happens at the cross. because we're talking about forgiveness of sin: therefore the mechanism of the forgiveness of sin is the counterpart to the physically analogous representation. the way that, before God, a 'sinless history' is actualized is through faith in the death and resurrection of Messiah, and i think it is a bit of a 'rule' that the truth about how the universe works reflects the truth of how the Creator works, that is, His fingerprints are on it.
if there's some analogous aspect of the backwards-definition of history via observation-wave-collapse it needs to be connected to the crucifixion and our baptism into it. that seems to me to be how it has to work. that's how it will be framed when we understand it right; it will be framed in a way that testifies of and glorifies Christ, which in this case has to do with our being born again into life through identifying ourselves in His death and being thereby brought into phase also with His resurrection
honestly yeah, maybe you can: there is a really, really profound mystery concerning forgiveness of sin, because God - who axiomatically ((IMO)) knows all things at all times - says He will remember our sins no more. that's mind-blowing, because His godhood includes His omniscience. how does omniscience forget? that's an huge question
so your thoughts about how strands of possible time-like manifolds are in a sense chosen through free-will interaction in the probability space, defining a 'true history' via a mechanism of observed causal paths, is really interesting. there's a constraint at play in my mind here because i know where/how that 'history manifold' becomes realized: this happens at the cross. because we're talking about forgiveness of sin: therefore the mechanism of the forgiveness of sin is the counterpart to the physically analogous representation. the way that, before God, a 'sinless history' is actualized is through faith in the death and resurrection of Messiah, and i think it is a bit of a 'rule' that the truth about how the universe works reflects the truth of how the Creator works, that is, His fingerprints are on it.
if there's some analogous aspect of the backwards-definition of history via observation-wave-collapse it needs to be connected to the crucifixion and our baptism into it. that seems to me to be how it has to work. that's how it will be framed when we understand it right; it will be framed in a way that testifies of and glorifies Christ, which in this case has to do with our being born again into life through identifying ourselves in His death and being thereby brought into phase also with His resurrection
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I think you just blew up 'open theism'
I want to agree, God knows all things at all times - even things which are not. It stands to reason that He paid the price for all sin He knows. So His sacrifice atoned for even sins that might have been but were not - and its more than 'covering' sins with His blood, like the blood of the sacrifices in the law; He removes sin. If He removes sin in its entirety, He removes even what sins were never actualized.
I want to agree, God knows all things at all times - even things which are not. It stands to reason that He paid the price for all sin He knows. So His sacrifice atoned for even sins that might have been but were not - and its more than 'covering' sins with His blood, like the blood of the sacrifices in the law; He removes sin. If He removes sin in its entirety, He removes even what sins were never actualized.
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I think you just blew up 'open theism'
I want to agree, God knows all things at all times - even things which are not. It stands to reason that He paid the price for all sin He knows. So His sacrifice atoned for even sins that might have been but were not - and its more than 'covering' sins with His blood, like the blood of the sacrifices in the law; He removes sin. If He removes sin in its entirety, He removes even what sins were never actualized.
I want to agree, God knows all things at all times - even things which are not. It stands to reason that He paid the price for all sin He knows. So His sacrifice atoned for even sins that might have been but were not - and its more than 'covering' sins with His blood, like the blood of the sacrifices in the law; He removes sin. If He removes sin in its entirety, He removes even what sins were never actualized.
Is God the Father literally non-local waves? Or are they more like His brain waves?
Could Human Jesus be about anything that could have been physical, for sin capture? Or course He also showed us The Way while He was physically here.
Jesus is God the Father's representation, but as a human, I don't think He could have created a Universe. We do call God the Father the Creator for a reason ..right?
Someone please tell me if I'm saying something out-of-line.
Could Human Jesus be about anything that could have been physical, for sin capture? Or course He also showed us The Way while He was physically here.
Jesus is God the Father's representation, but as a human, I don't think He could have created a Universe. We do call God the Father the Creator for a reason ..right?
Someone please tell me if I'm saying something out-of-line.