ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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Google "how does VAERS work"

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

  • Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
  • Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
  • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
  • VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
  • VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
 
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The vaccine dosage causes your own immune system to create antibodies that are effective in defeating the virus from invading your cells and multiplying by the millions and billions. This results in keeping people from getting seriously ill and dying.

I don't think anyone really cares if the virus can get in the nose but not win against the bodies immune system to penetrate the blood system and so we might pass it from one to another by sneezing but those that are vaccinated will not let it get beyond the nasal mucus lining beachfront of attack.

That is a win. It should not be turned into a negative spin by those unwilling to conceded that a vaccine can be safe and effective. Lets not be the ones spinning falsehood while accusing the media of doing the same. The science is what matters. The media is not where we get scientific facts. Let us not talk about critical thinking skills and then not use them while inventing negative spins that support our own antivaccine bias.
The science is flawed, many should have come to this conclusion as we are a year already into this crisis. For me, it is better not to get vaccinated. It makes more sense that 'if' disease and sickness comes as result of a virus. Shouldn't the body fight off the so-called virus. What will happen when another virus appear out of the blue? Will you be waiting again on the scientist to come up with solution. In whom then do you place your trust? In humans? And this leads to the problem with mankind is that they leave God out of the equation and after when they got the 'solution' (let say) they want to credit it to God. I heard many christians saying the vaccine is the answer to their prayers. But when I listen to these lectures of scientists, doctors and experts. I never hear them speaking of God. And it is the most brilliant minds in the world. AND THEY ARE SO BRILLIANT, THEY DONT ACKNOWLEDGE GOD. They never speak about the spiritual aspect. Because they don't believe men has a spirit. Everything came from matter. Where does LOVE come from chemistry?
 

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Google "how does VAERS work"

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

  • Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
  • Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
  • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
  • VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
  • VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

so, you tout the vax as " safe and effective", then turn around and admit that vaccines cause harmful side effects.

do you have any idea how much you contradict yourself??
 
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May! Finally! I will
The science is flawed, many should have come to this conclusion as we are a year already into this crisis. For me, it is better not to get vaccinated. It makes more sense that 'if' disease and sickness comes as result of a virus. Shouldn't the body fight off the so-called virus. What will happen when another virus appear out of the blue? Will you be waiting again on the scientist to come up with solution. In whom then do you place your trust? In humans? And this leads to the problem with mankind is that they leave God out of the equation and after when they got the 'solution' (let say) they want to credit it to God. I heard many christians saying the vaccine is the answer to their prayers. But when I listen to these lectures of scientists, doctors and experts. I never hear them speaking of God. And it is the most brilliant minds in the world. AND THEY ARE SO BRILLIANT, THEY DONT ACKNOWLEDGE GOD. They never speak about the spiritual aspect. Because they don't believe men has a spirit. Everything came from matter. Where does LOVE come from chemistry?
Creation is from God. A life form like a virus which can kill a person and studying how to defeat that is not anti God. Knowing how to keep a pride of lions from eating your children is not the same as not trusting God. We trust God and take dominion over Lions and wolves. We trust God and take dominion over tiny killers like viruses.

I am not sure if vaccines are considered a chemical treatment. The antiviral medications are chemistry based and many antivaxxers think taking chemical based treatments are better than a vaccine that causes your immune system to create antibodies but I am not sure why their reasoning works that way. They will have to explain what logic they are using.
 
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so, you tout the vax as " safe and effective", then turn around and admit that vaccines cause harmful side effects.

do you have any idea how much you contradict yourself??
They have not found that the vaccine causes any serious harm at all. The reporting database is there to see if they can discover any but so far all reports of harm have been investigated and found not to be true.

If you didn't read my post you might not have learned that the VAERS reports are not showing real harm from vaccines. When the reports are investigated they are not finding that the vaccine is causing harm. Reporting a suspicion does not make it a fact.

Anyone can report a suspicion on VAERS. Listing how many people are suspecting that the vaccine might have caused someone to die does not mean that it did.

I do not believe that there is any evidence that the Vaccines are causing any harmful side effects anywhere in the world.

The VAERS data does not prove that they are causing any harmful side effects.

If you don't understand VAERS is just a collection of peoples suspicious ideas but not proof of cause and effect, which requires a medical diagnosis then you will think that VAERS is a medical diagnosis but it isn't.
 

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They have not found that the vaccine causes any serious harm at all.
Who has not found this? The people who died or were harmed, or the ones who continue to lie about the serious adverse effects and deaths from these vaccines?

Every report which is published in the papers and news sources quotes public health officials and manufacturers all claiming that these newer vaccines are not responsible for any problems, even after the problems arise immediately after the injections. That is plainly DISHONEST AND CRIMINAL. I have yet to read of any public health official saying" People, we have an extremely serious problem with these improperly tested vaccines. We need to totally shut down all vaccinations until we can honestly report that the vaccines resulted in either deaths or serious medical problems. We have not been honest with the public. and it is time to practice medical ethics and stop violating our Hippocratic oaths".
 
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Who has not found this? The people who died or were harmed, or the ones who continue to lie about the serious adverse effects and deaths from these vaccines?

Every report which is published in the papers and news sources quotes public health officials and manufacturers all claiming that these newer vaccines are not responsible for any problems, even after the problems arise immediately after the injections. That is plainly DISHONEST AND CRIMINAL. I have yet to read of any public health official saying" People, we have an extremely serious problem with these improperly tested vaccines. We need to totally shut down all vaccinations until we can honestly report that the vaccines resulted in either deaths or serious medical problems. We have not been honest with the public. and it is time to practice medical ethics and stop violating our Hippocratic oaths".
It is not possible to hide serious adverse reactions. It is not possible to hide the medical data that would prove it was caused by the vaccine. To think that only an elite group of people are involved and able to hide it reveals a gross ignorance of reality and the way things really work as it relates to who are all involved in investigations and how many various organizations and people that involves.

The VAERS collection method is just one example of how no one is trying to cover anything up.
The idea that it is not possible to determine whether a vaccine caused a problem is because of ignorance of how effective scientific medical analysis really is. We most certainly can determine if a vaccine is the cause of a reported problem.

Someone may be lying but logic suggests that it is those who say that the vaccines have killed people.
 
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You mean the Johnson and Johnson vaccine derived from aborted human embryo stem cell lines?
Don't take that one. Ethical dilemma resolved.
I prefer not to take the J&J vaccine because of this issue.

My understanding is that the J&J vaccine itself doesn't have fetal cells, but that the vaccine was produced using fetal cells as hosts separately. Also, other vaccines such as chicken pox vaccine, the shingles vaccine, the hepatitis A vaccine, the rubella vaccine, and a rabies vaccine use fetal cells. Most of use have probably taken at least one of these vaccines.
 
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I do think that the CDC is being disingenuous like the COVID-hoax folks by blaming deaths on underlying conditions/unrelated health issues. Probably the CDC is afraid no will take the vaccines if they admitted to deaths.
 
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I prefer not to take the J&J vaccine because of this issue.

My understanding is that the J&J vaccine itself doesn't have fetal cells, but that the vaccine was produced using fetal cells as hosts separately. Also, other vaccines such as chicken pox vaccine, the shingles vaccine, the hepatitis A vaccine, the rubella vaccine, and a rabies vaccine use fetal cells. Most of use have probably taken at least one of these vaccines.
I understand the dilemma. If the J&J is the first to appear in my neighborhood when I am able to get one in May I will probably get it.
I do not agree that I am supporting abortions by doing so.
I will read more about it to be sure.
 
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I understand the dilemma. If the J&J is the first to appear in my neighborhood when I am able to get one in May I will probably get it.
I do not agree that I am supporting abortions by doing so.
I will read more about it to be sure.
I actually prefer the J&J vaccine since it is only one shot but the fetal cell issue is making me hesitant now.
 
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I actually prefer the J&J vaccine since it is only one shot but the fetal cell issue is making me hesitant now.
Yes. I am not sure what I will do now. I was hoping for the Moderna but I got a notice from my county that they have a huge shipment of Johnson and Johnson for the 60 and up people ready. I am not 60 and up but when my age group is available I hope they have more than just the Johnson and Johnson to choose from.
 
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It is not possible to hide serious adverse reactions. It is not possible to hide the medical data that would prove it was caused by the vaccine.
This is so naive that I can scarcely believe you even believe yourself. Given proper monetary or other motivations people will find ways to accomplish their ends. Just because you can't think of ways around whatever safeguards have been established doesn't mean that others can't. You're not as smart as you think you are.

The VAERS collection method is just one example of how no one is trying to cover anything up.
What??!! People have been doing bad stuff and trying to cover it up since Cain killed Abel. You think it's suddenly stopped for some reason? I have no idea how people take you seriously.

The idea that it is not possible to determine whether a vaccine caused a problem is because of ignorance of how effective scientific medical analysis really is. We most certainly can determine if a vaccine is the cause of a reported problem.

Someone may be lying but logic suggests that it is those who say that the vaccines have killed people.
Not arguing that it's impossible. What I'm saying is that I don't trust your corporations. I don't trust your scientists and their computer models. I don't trust your government. And I don't trust you. And I don't trust Bill "we need to reduce Earth's population" Gates either.
 

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I heard one today, haven't verified it, by covering rent and payments for people they have become the largest debt holder for these amounts, think there might be a big bailout to CDC as the pigs line up at the trough, 9% of the 1.9 Trillion went to everything but Americans in payments.
 
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This is so naive that I can scarcely believe you even believe yourself. Given proper monetary or other motivations people will find ways to accomplish their ends. Just because you can't think of ways around whatever safeguards have been established doesn't mean that others can't. You're not as smart as you think you are.


What??!! People have been doing bad stuff and trying to cover it up since Cain killed Abel. You think it's suddenly stopped for some reason? I have no idea how people take you seriously.


Not arguing that it's impossible. What I'm saying is that I don't trust your corporations. I don't trust your scientists and their computer models. I don't trust your government. And I don't trust you. And I don't trust Bill "we need to reduce Earth's population" Gates either.
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9% of the 1.9 Trillion went to everything but Americans in payments.
I believe you meant the opposite. According to news reports only 9% went towards COVID relief. All the rest was to further the extreme Leftist agenda of the Democrats and bail out all the Democratic jurisdictions which have been mismanaging their affairs for a very long time. This is an abuse of power, but once again the Republicans have done absolutely nothing about it. And that is dereliction of duty.
 
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I do think that the CDC is being disingenuous like the COVID-hoax folks by blaming deaths on underlying conditions/unrelated health issues. Probably the CDC is afraid no will take the vaccines if they admitted to deaths.
I think that is a conspiracy theory imagined. I believe that the CDC is made up of thousands of people who are dedicated to the safety of Americans. There is no corruption and no agenda. If any corruption is discovered (as there will always be individuals here and there who do wrong) it will be eventually uncovered and rooted out and safeguards will be implemented to make sure it cannot happen again. That is America. We are always improving and we are the best in the world at what we do.
 

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your right, dyslexia and all that, thank you, still haven't recovered from the sleep study the other night.
 
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I think that is a conspiracy theory imagined. I believe that the CDC is made up of thousands of people who are dedicated to the safety of Americans. There is no corruption and no agenda. If any corruption is discovered (as there will always be individuals here and there who do wrong) it will be eventually uncovered and rooted out and safeguards will be implemented to make sure it cannot happen again. That is America. We are always improving and we are the best in the world at what we do.
I would love to work for the CDC or the FDA, or any organization that is dedicated to saving lives. As it stands I have the best career in the world saving the souls men as a fisher of men and the lives God uses me to save have eternal consequences. But if I was not called to full time ministry of the Gospel I would think that working for the CDC would be a very rewarding career.
 
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LOL! I'm not sure how you manage this. Even though I think you're totally wrong about pretty much everything... and I somewhat suspect that you might be some kind of paid anti-christian troll... somehow I think you're sort of likable in a weird way that I don't even understand. hahaha! :D:D
 
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