Right phrase at the wrong time ?

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throughfaith said:
//The gospel is the good news about salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone.// And this isn't preached until after all that is possible correct? which would be after the resurrection.
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Jesus says there is no other way to the Father but by him (John. 14:6). Peter says that the remission of sins prior to the cross was received through faith in His name (Acts 10:43). Paul says there is but one gospel and it is the same gospel preached in the days of Moses as in the days of Paul (Heb. 4:2). Paul explicitly states that his gospel proclaimed "none other things" than what Moses and all the prophets preached (Acts 26:22) and in Acts 26:23 he details what the gospel they preached proclaimed.
 
tribesman said:
Don't make a hen of a feather, will you? That they didn't understand every thing that was to come regarding these events in those very days does NOT mean that they were ignorant of the principles that applied to atonement and the sufferings of the Messiah. That they knew about this we have all reason to assume that they were "well read" up on. You want to pinpoint exact levels of knowledge of the disciples just right before things occurring at that time and then make up a theology of same? It's a risky business, man. Slippery ice.
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Try that today ..Is a person saved today if he does not believe in the DBR ?
 
tribesman said:
Jesus says there is no other way to the Father but by him (John. 14:6). Peter says that the remission of sins prior to the cross was received through faith in His name (Acts 10:43). Paul says there is but one gospel and it is the same gospel preached in the days of Moses as in the days of Paul (Heb. 4:2). Paul explicitly states that his gospel proclaimed "none other things" than what Moses and all the prophets preached (Acts 26:22) and in Acts 26:23 he details what the gospel they preached proclaimed.
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tribesman said:
Jesus says there is no other way to the Father but by him (John. 14:6). Peter says that the remission of sins prior to the cross was received through faith in His name (Acts 10:43). Paul says there is but one gospel and it is the same gospel preached in the days of Moses as in the days of Paul (Heb. 4:2). Paul explicitly states that his gospel proclaimed "none other things" than what Moses and all the prophets preached (Acts 26:22) and in Acts 26:23 he details what the gospel they preached proclaimed.
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I agree that there's no way to the Father but through Jesus. As for the rest your generalising those verses without the details.
 
tribesman said:
Jesus says there is no other way to the Father but by him (John. 14:6). Peter says that the remission of sins prior to the cross was received through faith in His name (Acts 10:43). Paul says there is but one gospel and it is the same gospel preached in the days of Moses as in the days of Paul (Heb. 4:2). Paul explicitly states that his gospel proclaimed "none other things" than what Moses and all the prophets preached (Acts 26:22) and in Acts 26:23 he details what the gospel they preached proclaimed.
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So they were preaching the DBR in the time of Moses also? lol . ( As an aside we don't know who wrote hebrews ultimately) They did not understand what was prohecised .
 
throughfaith said:
Try that today ..Is a person saved today if he does not believe in the DBR ?
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Scriptures states no

Roman's 10:9-10KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
throughfaith said:
So they were preaching the DBR in the time of Moses also? lol . ( As an aside we don't know who wrote hebrews ultimately) They did not understand what was prohecised .
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Yes, they actually did. But since you do not believe this, it makes no sense to you.
 
tribesman said:
Then you do have a problem with explaining how people can be insecure in their salvation (or thinking salvation does not bring fruit with it) since they believe their salvation stems from something they did out of their "free will". And if the Bible talks about people who actually fell away, then it means just that and nothing else. These scriptures are to be reconciled and harmonize and no OSAS arminian is able to do so without ending up with a lot of error.
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I see plenty of christians who have fallen away from grace, they have not lost their salvation they are just miserable christians.
 
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throughfaith said:
I agree that there's no way to the Father but through Jesus. As for the rest your generalising those verses without the details.
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Generalising? You can read the scriptures for yourself, can't you? Or you lack reading abilities?
 
throughfaith said:
When you say the' same gosepl ' ,it implies that you distinguish it from something. What is this Gospel ( good news ) your referring to ? I often ask those that claim to be Christian, what is the good news you preach. Its interesting how this is answered . Especially if you ask a JW or a Mormon .
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The expresssion "same gospel" here is just to distinguish it from lunatic dispensational views such as that there are several different gospels in the Bible.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Angel's are always manifested as (Males) in the scripture, the world has surrounded us with false images of God's messengers.
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Doesn't mean there have never been any angels manifested as female. Just sayin' ;):D
 
tribesman said:
The expresssion "same gospel" here is just to distinguish it from lunatic dispensational views such as that there are several different gospels in the Bible.
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Luke 9.6

6¶And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

Saying absolutely nothing about the DBR .

This is the problem with systematic theology like Calvinism. We can clearly see here they are preaching a DIFFERENT good news and folks be like" nah they still were preaching the DBR ..It has to match my paradigm "
 
tribesman said:
Generalising? You can read the scriptures for yourself, can't you? Or you lack reading abilities?
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I can read a collection of proof texts stacked on top of each other as if they say what you think they do ..Your tracking back to covenantal theology in each response .
 
tribesman said:
According to your view a person is not saved unless he knows every bit of detail of "the DBR". Strange stuff.
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The 12 did not believe IN the DBR . As Jesus told them . They didn't believe the resurrection, even with an empty tomb . THE ones closest to him . The ones he taught .
What is wrong with people? how are folks missing this point ? OK so try this experiment .
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Ok let's just take one element of the Gospel we see in this verse and of course explained in 1 cor 15 . 1-4 .
Let's take the "and the third day he shall rise again." ok now look at thier response .
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

ok so question . Just on ONE element of the DBR , the resurrection.
Can a person be saved TODAY if they do not believe the resurrection?
And remember the 12 did not believe in The Death , burial OR the resurrection. I'm only dealing with one part her to keep it simple .
 
It is Impossible to "walk away"
That would infer
" Free Will" in the way the secular humanists assume it

God is our creator, our author
And HE is faithful to complete the work HE has started..

If a "believer" falls..it is not for us to judge in any direction if the believer is even A Believer and what the Creator God is doing with that life

If one has concern for a "backslider" its not our job to judge
At all

We are not so powerful in our sin or minds
To negate the Cross
 
Platosgal said:
It is Impossible to "walk away"
That would infer
" Free Will" in the way the secular humanists assume it

God is our creator, our author
And HE is faithful to complete the work HE has started..

If a "believer" falls..it is not for us to judge in any direction if the believer is even A Believer and what the Creator God is doing with that life

If one has concern for a "backslider" its not our job to judge
At all

We are not so powerful in our sin or minds
To negate the Cross
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The term ' walk away ' is figurative of course ,so how does that figure in the way we are saved today? ' walking away ' . We can imagine this in a marriage perhaps ,because we can physically do so ? Also in other religions we can imagine this also. As in stop attending the Jehovah witness meeting s ect . Renounce Islam ect . But we know these are 'commitment based , attendance observing, practising, dedicating, pledging allegiance kind of systems. To remain 'in 'you must keep 'attending ' or keep 'practicing ect . How does this ( walking away ) apply to how we are saved today . Thats my question?
 
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