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you should not say you disagree with someone when you have no idea what they believe, like you should not mock a doctrine unless you are willing to discuss it
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Jesus Fully God and Fully man - Chalcedon
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you should not say you disagree with someone when you have no idea what they believe, like you should not mock a doctrine unless you are willing to discuss it
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Did Jesus rely on The Father and Holy Spirit while He was a man? Could the Spirit of Christ in Jesus have been what was fully God? Jesus had to be born a Man to do what He was here to do ..otherwise He could have just shown up here.
Could The Holy Spirit have been with Jesus before Baptism, but not entangled with Christ's Spirit until the event?
Or the opposite?
Was Christ's Spirit always entangled with the Holy Spirit, but Baptism entangled the Holy Spirit to the physical human body of Jesus?
Could The Holy Spirit have been with Jesus before Baptism, but not entangled with Christ's Spirit until the event?
Or the opposite?
Was Christ's Spirit always entangled with the Holy Spirit, but Baptism entangled the Holy Spirit to the physical human body of Jesus?
It is really unprofitable to speculate about matters beyond our comprehension. While Christ was God manifest in the flesh (present as a human being, a sinless Man) He was at all times totally submitted to God the Father. We do not read about Christ's interactions with the Holy Spirit.
Which is quite revealing, actually. We are to live as best according to the that the WORD made flesh set for us. Ironically, one of those [EXAMPLES] was that He never prayed to the Holy Spirit or Spoke to the Holy Spirit. Which leads to the "ultimate question" of why do people pray and talk to the holy Spirit when the WORD never did? Seems a bit paganistic to do something that the WORD never did do! We have songs like Holy Spirit you are welcome here. If the WORD never communicated to the Holy Spirit, this songs seems sacreligious then like supposed Believers in God praying/communicating to the Holy Spirit. They are doing something God Himself refused to do or give us the example to do. And that leads to an even bigger dilemma. If You can pray and communicate to the Father and to Christ, BUT NOT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, then maybe we are viewing the role of the holy spirit incorrectly.
That last post was supposed to be spaced into sentences and part of it in BOLD but it did nothing what I wanted.
In fact, I don't see anywhere from the Book of Acts on that the Apostles prayed or tried to communicate to the Holy Spirit. Paul doesn't even do it. In fact, NO ONE does it. So why are they doing it today?
Where did the [FALSE DOCTRINE] of thinking you can pray/talk to the Holy Spirit begin at because the Church Fathers aren't doing it either. It's only modern day trinitarians doing it.
If I can pray/communicate to the Father, I can pray/communicate to Yeshua, but [CANNOT] pray/communicate to the Holy Spirit, how are they are ALL EQUAL then?
The Lord Jesus Himself taught us to pray to the Father. Prayers are offered to Him through the Son and by the Spirit.
This topic reminds me of the doctrine of Bethel and Bill Johnson when he said his famous doctrine https://www.hopefaithprayer.com/jesus-miracles-bill-johnson/
Jesus Christ is God, eternally God. Never in His earthly existence did He take a vacation from His divinity. In other words, He is and was always God. But His earthly life was equally natural in that He was also fully man. The very fact that angels came to strengthen Him testifies to this fact, as God would not need such strengthening. This is one of the great mysteries of all eternity. Jesus was fully God and fully man. But Jesus spoke of Himself as the Son of Man. He lived as the Son of Man.
This point is absolutely essential for us to understand, because it affects the way we live. If Jesus did miracles of healing, deliverance, multiplying food and raising the dead as God, I am still impressed— but it is not something I can duplicate. I am a spectator, which I am very happy about if that is my divine assignment. But when I realize that He did what He did as a man yielded to God, then I am compelled to follow, discovering that is my real assignment! And I might never do well the things He did. But I am unable to stay where I am because Jesus set a standard for life that can be followed and imitated.
So if you also follow his doctrine, you would say that even as Man, we can do the same miracles that Jesus did, even greater ones, if we are willing to yield ourselves completely to the Holy Spirit.
Some people hold the doctrine that Acts should be properly called the "Acts of the Holy Spirit".
Israel have already rejected the Father in the OT
Israel have just rejected the Son in the 4 Gospels when they crucified him
The final member of the Godhead is now being revealed at Pentecost, for the final appeal to Israel to repent and believe that Christ is their Messiah.
If Israel still reject him, the nation would have committed the unpardonable sin as stated by Jesus, and would have fallen in the eyes of God (Romans 11:11)
Father, Son & Holy Spirit are God. It's basic orthodox doctrine. It always was, from the beginning.
Taught by Jesus. An essential of the faith.
Anyone preaching otherwise is a heretic. This essential doctrine is non-negotiable
Did Jesus wait to be bestowed with the Holy Spirit until Baptism because it made His human body immortal? Would this have prevented Him from aging from a Baby? Was this necessary to die for all sins?
I disagree!
Even today, how the Hebrew is written in the Tanakh, there is no place that one would think triune. It wasn't until English translated that suddenly we think there is a sign of triune in the Old Testament. Remove the English translation and go back to the actual/literal Hebrew, and this is why the Jews deny the trinity!
I know many of these Traditions, sadly!
I am a firm Believer we have the [Perfect] example of how to be through Yeshua. What He did we should be trying to do. He never once spoke or did anything to make us think you're supposed to pray/communicate to the Holy Spirit. So when i see people praying and singing to the Holy Spirit, I'm like [My God, are they INSANE]? And they call themselves Believers while doing something not even found in Scripture! That's as Heretical as the Pre-Trib Rapture!
Was Jesus fully God via Christ's Spirit at birth, but the body wasn't fully God until Baptism? Wouldn't the Body have a hard time aging if it was full at Birth?
Remember, at the age of 12, Joseph and Mary find Jesus in the physical Temple teaching the High Priest and elders. So, at 12 years old, where does all of this knowledge Jesus is [teaching] coming from if He is not God even at 12?
In those days, only the Temple had the Scrolls. It's not like Jesus had a Tanakh on His parents fireplace He could take down and read from. No one had the Tanakh in their homes back then like we have [multiple] Bibles in our homes today.
So no access to these Scrolls, but yet, Jesus is TEACHING them. And they're amazed because they know this wet behind the ear kid doesn't have access to the WORD, so how can He be teaching it?
JESUS IS ALWAYS GOD. I'm talking about the human body. The physical brain is a playback device. Jesus is using His Spirit to think.
No, even then I believe we can apply John 14 to Jesus at 12 years old.
In the Gospel of John, Jesus told His Disciples, [WHAT I SAY AND DO IS NOT ME DOING BUT THE {FATHER
} LIVING INSIDE ME DOING IT]. It's always been the Father doing it since birth!