When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

[kaylagrl]

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Blinded for a time... right there in Romans 11. It's simple, why can't you understand?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They have to remain in Israel to be placed in paradise at their deaths, as I already stated.

For them not to be cut off from Israel, before Christ came, they had to obey the covenant of law.

I know what I believe, but you are just refusing to understand what I am saying.

Remember you can understand something even if you choose to disagree with it.

Yes, In other words. they had to keep the law to be saved

I understand completely my friend Believe me, Every here does I am sure.

You believe and continue to believe if they did not keep the law they would be cut off (lose salvation) which means they had to keep the law

The law required perfection my friend. NO ONE KEPT THE LAW That's why NO ONE could be justified by the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To remain in the nation Israel after exodus 24, yes they have to obey that covenant.

But that does not mean they are saved by the law. You keep insisting they are equivalent when I already said they are not.

Look I can explain my doctrine to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

What happened if they did not obey the covenent. Would they be saved?

 

[kaylagrl]

I know that you (and others) don't tell people that. But some people make statements who amounts to that. What about Hagee's lunacies for example? In the 90s I was into a charismatic church where there was a visiting preacher who once said (about the end times and coming of the Lord): "the jews will not become christians, however they will be saved". These kind of ideas float around in some circles.

One person said once? Where does Hagee say Jews don't need to believe in Christ? Did I miss it?

 

[Guojing]

Yes, In other words. they had to keep the law to be saved

I understand completely my friend Believe me, Every here does I am sure.

You believe and continue to believe if they did not keep the law they would be cut off (lose salvation) which means they had to keep the law

The law required perfection my friend. NO ONE KEPT THE LAW That's why NO ONE could be justified by the law.

I already said the law provided for animal sacrifices to cover when you break it.

And I see you still don’t want to understand Luke 1:6.

Being in paradise does not mean you are saved. I already said to you that their salvation is a future event, they have to await Christ return for that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law brought a curse. To all OT people

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

NO one fulfilled the mosaic covenant, Only one man did, That man was Christ

Thats why ALL have sinned and fall short.

 

[Guojing]

What happened if they did not obey the covenent. Would they be saved?

They will be cut off from the nation Israel for breaking the covenant (example genesis 17:14), and will no longer be in paradise.

Obviously they wont be eligible to await for Christ return for the nation, to receive any future salvation.

 

[kaylagrl]

I see no problem involved here other than for those who want to separate Israel and the Church. They make things overly problematic with their error.

No, YOU do! It's clear in Romans 9-11. Christians do not replace the Jews. You're even told not to brag about your position because you are not the root, but grafted in.

 

[posthuman]

They receive him as messiah BECAUSE they receive him first as savior.

Yes, amen

The very same One who died for their sins IS the Messiah and True King, "whom they pierced"

It's not like there is a choice to believe one thing and not the other. They will see Him and know who He is, that Christ is God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already said the law provided for animal sacrifices to cover when you break it.

And I see you still don’t want to understand Luke 1:6.

Being in paradise does not mean you are saved. I already said to you that their salvation is a future event, they have to await Christ return for that.

SMH

Heb 10: For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being

You are wrong man. You continue to state they were saved by law. then deny it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One person said once? Where does Hagee say Jews don't need to believe in Christ? Did I miss it?

I am not sure about Hagee. But they made the same accusation against scofield. Which has been proven to be in error. Scofield believed all people at all times were saved by grace. Through the means of faith

 

[Guojing]

SMH

Heb 10: For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being

You are wrong man. You continue to state they were saved by law. then deny it

Do you understand what I mean when I said, Israel salvation is in the future?

And if you do, Why do you keep using saved, as in past tense?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, amen

The very same One who died for their sins IS the Messiah and True King, "whom they pierced"

It's not like there is a choice to believe one thing and not the other. They will see Him and know who He is, that Christ is God

Yes. And then their sin will be complete and they will be restored. Not before.

 

[kaylagrl]

that's what you do, leapfrog. You read every prophecy that tells of Israel's fall from grace [which we do not deny] but ignore the prophecies which tell of their restoration to favour.

... we deduce nothing from rubbish conspiracy theories.

Yes! They agree that Israel gets all the curses, but they themselves take all the blessings. smh

 

[Journeyman]

I never said believers are not one in him, What funny is you think I did. lol

You would be better to understand when you stop assuming you know what others believe because you were taught wrong.

There is no jew or gentile, free or slave, Male or female. All are one in christ. Starting with adam and finishing with the last person who will ever come to salvation through Ghrist.

And when you fully grasp how believers are one in Christ, then you'll know what Jesus meant by the beginning of sorrows, nation against nation, etc.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you understand what I mean when I said, Israel salvation is in the future?

And if you do, Why do you keep using saved, as in past tense?

Because I asked you HOW they were saved, Not when they will be saved.

And you keep saying because they obeyed the covenant. And if they sinned. they had the sacrifice.

As I told you. My salvation will not be complete until Christ returns and I am glorified either

Pay attention man.

Listen to yourself. Maybe you will hear what everyone lse hear you saying Because you say one thing, then deny it.

 

[Guojing]

Because I asked you HOW they were saved, Not when they will be saved.

And you keep saying because they obeyed the covenant. And if they sinned. they had the sacrifice.

As I told you. My salvation will not be complete until Christ returns and I am glorified either

Pay attention man.

Listen to yourself. Maybe you will hear what everyone lse hear you saying Because you say one thing, then deny it.

Oh you have a different understanding of what Paul is teaching us in the body of Christ then.

For me, my salvation is already complete now. (Ephesians 1:7)

No wonder you have difficulties understanding the difference between Christ according to the mystery and Christ according to prophecy.

If you understand Israel salvation is in the future, you should phrase your question to me as “how they will be saved”.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes! They agree that Israel gets all the curses, but they themselves take all the blessings. smh

Lev 26 is clear

The punishment for disobedience

and the blessing when they repent.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And when you fully grasp how believers are one in Christ, .

I have acknowledge believers are one in Christ. This is twice now you have misrepresented my belief system.

If you are unable to listen to what others say. Then you have serious probems my friend. Do not expect people to listen to anything you say when you continually refuse to listen to what hey say

for the last time/ ALL BELIEVERS FROM ADAM UNTIL THE LAST PERSON SAVED ARE ONE IN CHRIST!

So I fully grasp how believers are one in christ.

So the rest of your comment is nonsense

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh you have a different understanding of what Paul is teaching us in the body of Christ then.

For me, my salvation is already complete now. (Ephesians 1:7)

No wonder you have difficulties understanding the difference between Christ according to the mystery and Christ according to prophecy.

If you understand Israel salvation is in the future, you should phrase your question to me as “how they will be saved”.

I asked you HOW they will be saved

Your answer was they had to obey the covenant or they would be cut off (not be saved in he end)

End of story.

If you can not back what you truly believe there is really nothing more to say