Regeneration in the Old Testament?

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ewq1938 said:
It's still multiple examples of spiritual regeneration in the OT.
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Impossible. literally impossible.
John 7
37¶In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was NOT YET GLORIFIED .)
That's it . There is no way round this ..
 
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Impossible. literally impossible.
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I and others have already proven it existed in the OT.

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
 
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ewq1938 said:
It's still multiple examples of spiritual regeneration in the OT.
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1 Peter 1:3

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead "
 
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throughfaith said:
1 Peter 1:3

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead "
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Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
 
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ewq1938 said:
I and others have already proven it existed in the OT.
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Nope you've shown that God would send his Spirit to come UPON a person for a task , renewal, strength, ect ( like Samson , Saul , David , artisans for the tabernacle/ temple for to acomplish something . This is not Regeneration. even slightly..
 
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throughfaith said:
Nope
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No, you are wrong. Regeneration in the OT has been proven multiple times. A new man who has God's Holy Spirit who also has a new heart and new spirit is a spiritual regeneration.
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, you are wrong. Regeneration in the OT has been proven multiple times. A new man who has God's Holy Spirit who also has a new heart and new spirit is a spiritual regeneration.
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No you have done what most do . And that is quote a verse that's a future occurance that's yet to happen to Israel and any verse that says 'heart 'and 'spirit in it is contorted to resemble NT salvation after Acts 2 .
 
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Barnes is also very knowledgeable about the bible.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
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Ezeke is speaking about the new covenant which was not yet made.

David is pleading for a renewal of his natural self, God's Spirit was with Him but not indwelling.
 
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ISA. 63:11.
Then HE remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying,
Where is He that 'brought them up out' of the sea with the shepherd of His flock?
where is HE that put HIS Holy Spirit (((within him)))?
there is only ONE Holy Spirit, and this IS The Spirit of Jesus Christ!!!
it is written:
1PETER 1:10-11.
Of which 'salvation' the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time The Spirit of Christ which was (((in them))) did signify,
when It testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. =
AND SO WE SEE,
that The Spirit of Jesus Christ was 'IN them'...
The Holy Spirit is the 'guarantee' of our (inheritance) 'in The Kingdom'...
EPH. 1:13-14.
In Whom you also trusted, after that you heard The Word of Truth, the gospel of your Salvation:
in Whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory.
it is written:
LUKE 13:28.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
and ALL the prophets, IN The Kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and ALL of the prophets shall BE IN GOD'S Kingdom, 'because',
they HAD the 'guarantee' OF the INHERITANCE = which is, 'The Holy Spirit'...
 
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No you have done what most do . And that is quote a verse that's a future occurance that's yet to happen to Israel and any verse that says 'heart 'and 'spirit in it is contorted to resemble NT salvation after Acts 2 .
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The verses spoke of things that happened during OT times. Regeneration was not invented by the new covenant.
 
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Ezeke is speaking about the new covenant which was not yet made.
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No, he was speaking of something that was already able to occur.

Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

David is pleading for a renewal of his natural self, God's Spirit was with Him but not indwelling.
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It was indwelling.
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, he was speaking of something that was already able to occur.

Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

It was indwelling.
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Why not emphasis the "will" instead? You know will represents future tense?
 
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Why not emphasis the "will" instead? You know will represents future tense?
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I WILL reply to you right now.

The context of the verse is taking His people from the heathen and place them into the land of their fathers and give them a new spirit and new heart. That happened already so while it was future to that writing, it is past tense to us now and past tense to the time of Christ.



Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
 
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ewq1938 said:
I WILL reply to you right now.

The context of the verse is taking His people from the heathen and place them into the land of their fathers and give them a new spirit and new heart. That happened already so while it was future to that writing, it is past tense to us now and past tense to the time of Christ.



Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
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Israel’s future deliverance occurs when God is through dealing with the Gentiles. Israel is God’s people.

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 
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ewq1938 said:
I WILL reply to you right now.

The context of the verse is taking His people from the heathen and place them into the land of their fathers and give them a new spirit and new heart. That happened already so while it was future to that writing, it is past tense to us now and past tense to the time of Christ.



Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
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Which year do you think this has happened?

Would you accept if I were to tell you that this will happen during the millennial reign of Christ?
 
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Which year do you think this has happened?
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I wouldn't know the year but it was in the past.

Would you accept if I were to tell you that this will happen during the millennial reign of Christ?
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It's been happening for a long time. That it happens in the thousand years is no surprise.
 
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