Some Advice Requested

[Lynx]

Hmm... scrolling through this thread so far...

Yup, this is a good cross-section of the internet. Some moderate opinions, some wild ones, opinions from all across the board.

Subhumanoidal's advice was the best in the whole thread.

 

[oceanbreeze]

With something like cancer I dont see why anyone would risk it. With a less deadly medical issue would make more sense. I've been cut open many times and my brother has had cancer treatment before, my moms a pharmacist and my sisters a nurse so I have alot a fair amount of advice on medical issues. If the doctor suggests something than its probably a good idea to get it done.

my friend in bible study was in later stages and wasn't given much hope at all and he and his wife found someone who has to be by referral only because they are extremely persecuted as quacks. This women spends one on one with folks educating them and designing a very strict diet and it is prolonging this mans life. But like you if I was faced with cancer and not in the last stages with hope of recovery,I would do the chemo as appropriate for the stage of cancer and start listening to alternatives as well as they've come a long way faster than conventional medicine. Conventional medicine should have cured cancer by now but there is just too much money in it for big pharma. This is also why I don't trust the vaccine because the CDC is corrupt and they own the patton's on the vaccines and make money on them. They have a serious conflict of interest. So they get millions of dollars to make and distribute the vaccine and that money also gets turned around sent back to Washington to line politicians pockets as a special interest incentive to keep voting for more funding. I wouldn't be surprised if they're the Beast in scripture. Because natural selection was in Gods hands through His sovereignty over life and Death and then man took the reigns to create their own natural selection through vaccines and it's hit and miss who does well and who had an allergic reaction. Meanwhile they pay billions to media and politicians that they are completely safe and there is nothing to see here. Well there is testimony after testimony on the DPT and MMR causing injury to children and the USA's vaccine schedule is the most prolific in the world. Too many, too many ingredients a child can be allergic to. I'm not talking about polio and smallpox. It's when these greedy fish discovered how lucrative it is and their pride to think they are saving people, that's when bad things happen. I firmly believe the point of our deaths, whether we are end stage cancer, have a gun to our own head or someone else does, or someone shoots the virus up our nose, the LORD knows the time of our death and it is in HIS HANDS not the CDC, not a mask, not in mine, In God's hands. It's no excuse to be reckless and we are not to test Him but the context of His sovereignty is very real. We worship HIM alone, not even our physical life is worth more than Him. Peace love and prayers to you. I can't imagine the daily struggle you must face and prayers are so important for peace of mind. Be sure to let those closest to you know if it's too much anxiety if they are pressuring you into something you're not yet comfortable with.

 

[cinder]

The vaccine isn't the mark of the beast; it simply does not meet the Biblical criteria (which granted are in a prophetic book so shouldn't necessarily be taken overly literally) which are that it comes after the first beast suffers a fatal wound that is healed and the second beast has an image of the first beast made that everyone is required to worship. The mark is on the right hand or the forehead (pretty sure neither of those are injection sites for the covid vaccine) and no one is allowed to buy or sell anything without the mark (which indicates to me that it's either visible or the means of transaction). So vaccine is not the mark of the beast, it also sounds pretty clear from scripture that it's difficult to accidentally take the mark of the beast, it will be very clear when we're doing it (this of course presupposes that the whole reign of one man who is the antichrist and sets up a one world government is the correct interpretation of the relevant passages in revelation).

As to concerns about the vaccine, one of the wisest things I've heard is that while we don't know the long term affects of the vaccine, we also don't know the long term affects of Covid-19 if you get infected either. There were plenty of people to test on and at this point it's been pretty widely tested, we just don't have data about long term affects of either the disease or the vaccine. There are plenty of Christians out there grateful for the vaccine and lining up to get it. Overall it's probably fair to say that this vaccine is as safe as any other vaccine. If you're going to trust doctors to be pumping you full of chemicals or blasting you with radiation to kill rogue cells, you should probably have enough trust in them to take their advice on other more basic medical treatments as well.

 

[Kojikun]

Hmm... scrolling through this thread so far...

Yup, this is a good cross-section of the internet. Some moderate opinions, some wild ones, opinions from all across the board.

Subhumanoidal's advice was the best in the whole thread.

Yes, but due to my uncertainty on everything the contrasting opinions are making it impossible to decide. The fact we must "guess" and be uncertain what the mark is makes me severely question my faith and puts in worse spot than I came here with. This was a horrible idea and I greatly regret it. The fact that such a serious question doesnt have a straight answer is very concerning and the fact I could be severed from eternal life because a simple shot I'm not to thrilled with Christianity rn. I think I will just let this kill me.

 

[Lynx]

Considering the mortality rate, I'm currently planning on giving the vaccine a pass. I ain't skeered.

Considering my grandmother's age and her history of chronic bronchitis, I am glad she got the vaccine.

Let each case be decided according to the person who has the case.

 

[Kojikun]

If the vaccine is the mark than my parents, sisters and brother are all going to hell. If that's the case my multiple prayers for there salvation were completely ignored. It's so great that people who claim to "Love thy neighbor" would intentionally sow fear like this into uncertain believers tbh I think that's vile. If it's TRUE than I dont know what to think about God anymore

 

[cinder]

Yes, but due to my uncertainty on everything the contrasting opinions are making it impossible to decide. The fact we must "guess" and be uncertain what the mark is makes me severely question my faith and puts in worse spot than I came here with.

Have you ever developed criteria for evaluating which opinions are worth listening to and which ones are a load of manure? Because anyone can post an opinion on the internet so we need to have some criteria for determining who is worth listening to. And I'd also say that it's worthwhile to discuss this with people you know in real life who have real lives rather than getting all your information from people who spend much of their time throwing their opinions out there on the internet at large.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Okay so I didn't want to ask here but I really have no other place to ask. Recently I was diagnosed with kidney cancer and my parents have been pressing me to get the covid shot due to health risks.

No doubt your parents are well-meaning, but totally ignorant about the matter. The so-called "COVID shots" (there are three *vaccines* in play) will GREATLY INCREASE you health risk, and are to be avoided at all costs. This is not vaccination but experimental gene therapy.

I dont want to get the shot. I wouldn't mind getting it if this concept of it being "The Mark of the Beast" being so prevalent.

The bogus vaccines are NOT the Mark of the Beast but precursors to that mark. The world is being psychologically conditioned and manipulated at this time. The coming of the Antichrist is not too far away.

I feel terrified and angry I had a meltdown at dinner tonight. I really dont want to fight off cancer just to die from covid.

You have a 66% chance of surviving kidney cancer according to published statistics. So look on the bright side.
https://www.disabled-world.com/health/cancer/cancer-survival-rate.php

Also the ones who died for coronavirus are the very elderly (85 years and up) or those who have other serious health problems. It is only because of all the fear-mongering that younger people think they too might die. You chances of being infected with COVID are minimal.

 

[Nehemiah6]

And I'd also say that it's worthwhile to discuss this with people you know in real life who have real lives

Unfortunately the majority of "real" people are very poorly informed about the COVID Hoax. And there are plenty of reliable medical sources for the truth about COVID. Do your own research if you think so little of others.

 

[GaryA]

If the vaccine is the mark than my parents, sisters and brother are all going to hell. If that's the case my multiple prayers for there salvation were completely ignored. It's so great that people who claim to "Love thy neighbor" would intentionally sow fear like this into uncertain believers tbh I think that's vile. If it's TRUE than I dont know what to think about God anymore

Please calm yourself and try to think straight...

The current-day situation does not match the biblical definition. It may be that it will be here soon - but, for the moment, it is not yet a biblical reality.

By all means - warn others that it is getting very close - and that - they need to very carefully consider what the biblical definition looks like in the reality of current world-stage events.

The best and most "simple" answer is the biblical definition itself.

So - study it.

But - don't panic - that will not help anyone.

Instead - become [very] knowledgable concerning the biblical definition of the mark of the beast.

Study it.
Learn it.
Know it.

Discuss it with others if necessary to gain perspective.

Whatever you do, do it with confidence that the Lord can give you the understanding you need to settle the matter in your mind and heart.

And then, ask Him to help you settle the matter in your mind and heart.

 

[oceanbreeze]

If the vaccine is the mark than my parents, sisters and brother are all going to hell. If that's the case my multiple prayers for there salvation were completely ignored. It's so great that people who claim to "Love thy neighbor" would intentionally sow fear like this into uncertain believers tbh I think that's vile. If it's TRUE than I dont know what to think about God anymore

sorry you're feeling stressed. sorry for contributing to that. go to the Lord in prayer. Praise him in the midst of your confusion. I've had anxiety and OCD symptoms without being full on and I know the struggle. The older I get I know it's not about me it's about Him and entering into his presence and blocking the rest out. How I do that practically is knowing in every circumstance He is worthy to be praised. So just start praising Him for who he is regardless of your feelings and it many cause a tear or two but it will relieve the anxiety. One Voice. His.

 

[PennEd]

The vaccine isn't the mark of the beast; it simply does not meet the Biblical criteria (which granted are in a prophetic book so shouldn't necessarily be taken overly literally) which are that it comes after the first beast suffers a fatal wound that is healed and the second beast has an image of the first beast made that everyone is required to worship. The mark is on the right hand or the forehead (pretty sure neither of those are injection sites for the covid vaccine) and no one is allowed to buy or sell anything without the mark (which indicates to me that it's either visible or the means of transaction). So vaccine is not the mark of the beast, it also sounds pretty clear from scripture that it's difficult to accidentally take the mark of the beast, it will be very clear when we're doing it (this of course presupposes that the whole reign of one man who is the antichrist and sets up a one world government is the correct interpretation of the relevant passages in revelation).

As others have stated. The "vaccine" (No other traditional vaccine allows you to STILL get infected AND spread the disease) itself is not the Mark of the Beast. However, the mechanism used to PROVE you have received the vaccine VERY well COULD be the Mark.

Every day now, more and more stories are coming out about the need to have "vaccine passports" or certificates, in order to participate in society in public. NOT just international travel. Here are 2 from today:

Royal Caribbean Only Accepts Vaccinated Passengers On Next Caribbean Cruise

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...s-vaccinated-passengers-next-caribbean-cruise

Watch: UK Announces Vaccine "Certificates", Says They Are Not Vaccine Passports

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...tificates-says-they-are-not-vaccine-passports

 

[Kojikun]

Please calm yourself and try to think straight...

The current-day situation does not match the biblical definition. It may be that it will be here soon - but, for the moment, it is not yet a biblical reality.

By all means - warn others that it is getting very close - and that - they need to very carefully consider what the biblical definition looks like in the reality of current world-stage events.

The best and most "simple" answer is the biblical definition itself.

So - study it.

But - don't panic - that will not help anyone.

Instead - become [very] knowledgable concerning the biblical definition of the mark of the beast.

Study it.
Learn it.
Know it.

Discuss it with others if necessary to gain perspective.

Whatever you do, do it with confidence that the Lord can give you the understanding you need to settle the matter in your mind and heart.

And then, ask Him to help you settle the matter in your mind and heart.

Yes, apologies. I was having a "Job moment " 😬🤦‍♂️😳

 

[Lynx]

Please calm yourself and try to think straight...

The current-day situation does not match the biblical definition. It may be that it will be here soon - but, for the moment, it is not yet a biblical reality.

By all means - warn others that it is getting very close - and that - they need to very carefully consider what the biblical definition looks like in the reality of current world-stage events.

The best and most "simple" answer is the biblical definition itself.

So - study it.

But - don't panic - that will not help anyone.

Instead - become [very] knowledgable concerning the biblical definition of the mark of the beast.

Study it.
Learn it.
Know it.

Discuss it with others if necessary to gain perspective.

Whatever you do, do it with confidence that the Lord can give you the understanding you need to settle the matter in your mind and heart.

And then, ask Him to help you settle the matter in your mind and heart.

Best answer in this thread to date.

 

[GiveThanks]

If the vaccine is the mark than my parents, sisters and brother are all going to hell. If that's the case my multiple prayers for there salvation were completely ignored. It's so great that people who claim to "Love thy neighbor" would intentionally sow fear like this into uncertain believers tbh I think that's vile. If it's TRUE than I dont know what to think about God anymore

We heard some time ago that the micro chip is the mark of the beast. Now it is said that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. It seems that no one knows for sure at this time what that mark is. Vaccines have always been around, so why is it that this covid vaccine is the mark of the beast, and not all the others that were before it?

Lots of people have taken the vaccine and it has not killed them, so it is not certain that you will die if you yourself take the vaccine.

Talk to your doctor and ask their advise. Then you pray and ask God to show you what to do. And from there you need to make a decision.

Whatever you decide, your life is in God's hands. Once you put your trust in Him, you cant die before your time. Just put everything in Gods hands.

Its your decision. No one can decide for you. I have not made up my mind about the vaccine as yet, but the same thing i told you to do is what i'll do. Pray about it, and ask God to show me what to do. Make a decision and put everything in His hands that whether or not i take the vaccine, He'll take care of me.

 

[GaryA]

Yes, apologies. I was having a "Job moment " 😬🤦‍♂️😳

There is no need to apologize.

Just want to see you be able to think clearly enough to work through your frustrations.

Don't be afraid.

Be calm, steady, and assured.

Study it. I'm being serious. It is the best way to achieve the confidence and certainty and security that you seek.

Start with this...

Revelation 13:

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The highlighted portion describes the more specific characteristics of the mark itself - what it is for and how it will be administered:

~ that no man might buy or sell
~ to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

These things tell us what to look for in identifying the mark of the beast.

The rest of the passage is also significant. It describes the "outer circumstance" details that are directly and indirectly related to the mark of the beast.

Because of how the text reads, I am inclined to believe that - in terms of chronological time - what verse 15 describes will actually happen first.

In my view and opinion, it is highly more likely that we will be killed for not worshipping the beast [even] before we would have to deal with the mark of the beast.

And, it actually "makes sense" for 'them' - kill all who will not worship the beast - and then - put a mark on whoever is left. Why would they bother to try to put the mark on - lets say - 7 billion people - and then - kill 6 billion (or more) of them?

They will probably opt for simply killing the majority before placing a mark on the rest.

What you see happening today is an attempt to reduce the population of the earth.

If your family members have made a profession of faith - and you are certain they are born-again - you probably need not worry about them with regard to their final destination.

By all means - express your concerns to them to make sure they are aware of the spiritual things they need to watch out for and consider with wisdom.

However - quite frankly - you will do them more good by studying those things yourself so that you may be able to discern the times and answer the questions that come up.

 

[GaryA]

What you see happening today is an attempt to reduce the population of the earth.

What you see happening today is, in part, an attempt to reduce the population of the earth.

 

[GaryA]

there are typos here

Let's see...

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Nope - don't see any typos.

 

[wisebeardman]

First off I know people who's parents have died from this "Scam" I figured it was a dumb thing to ask here, but once again I ignored that little voice in my head again 🙄

And I know people who have died from the regular flu, so what is your point?

This is a scamdemic, created for an agenda. and that agenda is for the globalist to usher in the socialist world order where YOU WILL OWN NOTHING an be FORCED to BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.

But go ahead and keep head in sand, take the poison.