When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

[pottersclay]

I assure you I hate no one.
Jesus, my Semitic Savior, loves all people and commands His disciples to love them too, according to the many wonderful Semitic authors of my favorite book - a Semitic book: the Holy Bible...a Semitic book which contains many accounts of great Semitic men like David, Samuel, Elijah, etc., who, in my opinion, are the greatest of all the great heroes of history, and I plan to spend eternity with them as my Semitic companions in Heavenly Canaan.

So, now that you know, would you stop with this redonkulous accusation, please?

 

[kaylagrl]

Descendants of pagan Khazars who for almost 1,500 years had been told they were Jews.

It's a debunked lie man, you can say it a million times it doesn't make it true. This myth is found the most on anti - Semitic websites. That tells you right there that it's wrong. But since you want to keep repeating it we will debunk it for you here.

First of all this information comes from a book, one, count it, one book. It was written by a ... historian, an expert on peoples around the world? No, a poet!! And the historicity of his book hasn't even proven to be reliable. Now here we go with some facts, so others don't believe this utter lie.

** Jews already lived in Europe a thousand years before the Khazar kingdom was formed. There are no genetic markers or indicators at all showing that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Turkic tribes. In fact, there exists considerable genetic evidence showing that European Jews are closer to Levantine and Syrian Arabs than to Central Asians.


** There are more"Semitic" Sephardic Jews in Israel today than there are European Ashkenazi Jews. And if the Khazars looked Turkic, how on earth could they give Ashkenazi Jews a European complexion?

** If all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from converted Khazars, why are there Cohens and Levis among them? One inherits the status of a Cohen (priest) or Levite from one’s father. Descendants of converts through the male line can never be a Cohen or a Levite.


** Why are there no Khazar surnames among Ashkenazim, or Khazar names for towns in Europe where Jews lived? And why did most Ashkenazi communities speak variations of Yiddish rather than Turkic?


As I said, this myth has been debunked. Genetic evidence proves it to be wrong. Yet anti- Jew websites that deny the Holocaust happened still continue to push this lie. One that has been debunked, with evidence. smh So you need to come up with another argument, because I just blew this one out of the water.

 

[kaylagrl]

That's right...plug your ears and get in that echo chamber. Let's just pretend the 10 tribes are totally lost in the murky waters of the gene pool, ignore what the Khazars did in history, and then believe that Judah's DNA was preserved somehow (cryogenics?) for almost 2,000 years. History and common sense say otherwise, though.

It's an anti- Semitic LIE !! Stop pushing here!!

 

[kaylagrl]

Perhaps if you opened a Bible to Galatians 3:29 KJV or Galatians 6:16 KJV, you'd see how firmly established "Spiritual Israel" is in Scripture?

How about a comment on those verses? Or, will you just continue to throw around "heresy!" and "debunked!" all day?

Nothing wrong with Spiritual Israel, it's just YOU aren't it! The church isn't Spiritual Israel!! Romans 9- 11 read it with your eyes open this time.

 

[kaylagrl]

Nah, God had nothing to do with 1948 for two reasons: Jesus' murderers had never repented as a nation, and those people over there are proven to be the descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire, a truth that will be declared "debunked" only by themselves and the deluded Christians who are duped into supporting them financially and otherwise.

Support Christ and His people, the true "Abraham's seed" which is the Christian church, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV

I notice all you guys do is post OT promises to Israel which their unbelief prevented from being fulfilled by God, but never address Galatians 3:29 KJV, which totally disproves your position.

As long as you keep saying it, I'll keep saying it. That is a lie disproved with genetic evidence. It was a book written by a poet. Not an expert. So you better watch it with the low information quips, because right now you're looking pretty low on info yourself. Talk about being duped. smh Hold on now, we're going on a ride...

Genesis 13:14-15 “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are … for all the land which you see I will give to you and your descendants forever.”

Genesis 15:18 “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: ‘To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates.’”

That sounds awfully specific...

(Genesis 15:13-14). “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions”

You might even say it sounds literal...

To Isaac “Sojourn in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father” (Genesis 26:3).

“I am the LORD God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants.”

Talkin' bout terra firma right there.


Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. What is a blood covenant ? I'm glad you asked!

"In the blood covenant, the contracting parties would agree on the terms of the covenant. Then they would take an animal, kill it, split the carcass in half down the backbone, and place the divided parts opposite each other on the ground forming a pathway between the pieces.

The two would join hands, recite the contents of the covenant, and walk between the divided halves of the slain animal. The blood covenant meant they were bound until death, and if either broke the terms of the covenant, his blood should be spilled as the blood of the slain animal. A blood covenant was a permanent and unconditional covenant."

Gen. 15 we see the animals prepared and God puts Abe into a deep sleep. And then what happened? God Himself passed between the animals. Making an unconditional covenant.

God said “If his sons [Israel] forsake My law and do not walk in My judgments, if they break My statutes and do not keep My commandments, then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.”

“Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him, nor allow My faithfulness to fail.”


“I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; they shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. I will plant them in their land, and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land I have given them, says the LORD your God” (Amos 9:14-15).

Literal land. A nation, born in a day. Israel. The Jews lost the title because of unbelief and disobedience. But they never lost the deed. Now you've been totally debunked. And yet your hatred won't let you believe you are wrong. But this post is so that others will know the truth from your lies. Carry on with your myths, don't let the truth stop you.

 

[Journeyman]

We have been here before,

you never respond to the passages in Genesis, so we can not even begin any kind of true discussion.

I am not playing this silly game,either respond to the passages in genesis where god not only promised all the world will be blessed through abrahams seed (Christ) which is the context you are discussing which I agree with

and yet also give one child and his descendents a plot of land (Canaan) as an eternal gift, throughout all of their generations

until you can show me how the two are not separate parts of one covenant, we have nothing more to discuss, because your on one context, and rejecting the other context, and we can never come to an agreement,

I have been showing you the proper interpretation of Gen.15 & 17. The covenant between God and Abraham is in Christ and God carried on this covenant with Isaac for the same reason.

In fact, to establish his covenant with Isaac and Isaacs fiture children, then tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac before he had children, is proof that Abraham believed that God would raise his "promised son" from the dead (Heb.11:17-19).

Yes, we have been here before and it isn't silly to me. It's sad and infuriating, because so called Christian theologians have been leading Jewish people to damnation with their misconceptions.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have been showing you the proper interpretation of Gen.15 & 17. The covenant between God and Abraham is in Christ and God carried on this covenant with Isaac for the same reason.

In fact, to establish his covenant with Isaac and Isaacs fiture children, then tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac before he had children, is proof that Abraham believed that God would raise his "promised son" from the dead (Heb.11:17-19).

Yes, we have been here before and it isn't silly to me. It's sad and infuriating, because so called Christian theologians have been leading Jewish people to damnation with their misconceptions.

You have not shown me crap dude
I asked you to show me where land was promised to the church. You never showed me anything

Good day

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I have been showing you the proper interpretation of Gen.15 & 17. The covenant between God and Abraham is in Christ and God carried on this covenant with Isaac for the same reason.
In fact, to establish his covenant with Isaac and Isaacs fiture children, then tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac before he had children, is proof that Abraham believed that God would raise his "promised son" from the dead (Heb.11:17-19).
Yes, we have been here before and it isn't silly to me. It's sad and infuriating, because so called Christian theologians have been leading Jewish people to damnation with their misconceptions.

One should study the distinction in Genesis between "seed [PLURAL]" and "seed [SINGULAR]"... (Gal3:16 refers specifically to the latter of these two distinct occurrences, for example).

You mention Gen15 & 17... let the reader also note that the quote from Heb11:18 ^ comes from Gen21...

 

[Phoneman-777]

But can you love Jews who are alive now? Even the unsaved?

If you would just read and absorb Romans 11 - save me having to post the whole thing because I know people are about as likely to read whole chapters that are posted as they are if they are not posted.

I love everyone, including those who can't see there's no way the Israelites carried away by the Assyrians and the Romans survived as a people after their men were slaughtered and their women were raped and impregnated by pagans, forced into marriage with pagans, sold into slave service to pagans, etc. The Israelite DNA has long disappeared into the murky waters of the global pagan gene pool.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You have not shown me crap dude
I asked you to show me where land was promised to the church. You never showed me anything

Good day

You do realize God never made a covenant with Gentiles - only Israel, right?

If we're going to be participants of the New Covenant, we're going to have to grafted into Israel -- and "Israel" is clearly now "those who belong to Christ" and those who "walk by this rule" - the rule of being a "new creature in Christ".

It's no longer according to race, but according to grace.

 

[Guojing]

You do realize God never made a covenant with Gentiles - only Israel, right?

If we're going to be participants of the New Covenant, we're going to have to grafted into Israel -- and "Israel" is clearly now "those who belong to Christ" and those who "walk by this rule" - the rule of being a "new creature in Christ".

It's no longer according to race, but according to grace.

Ahh, this reminds me of the other exchange I am having with Christians who claim to reject replacement theology, and yet continue to insist that we in the Body of Christ are under the New Covenant that was promised to Israel.

https://christianchat.com/threads/how-to-be-born-again.198023/post-4520482

As I said to you, I can respect your clear stand that you do believe in replacement theology, even when I disagree with that.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Were they whisked away from the ancient Assyrians and Romans in a spaceship and cryogenically frozen until the time they are to return to Earth to "fulfill prophecy"?

 

[pottersclay]

Were they whisked away from the ancient Assyrians and Romans in a spaceship and cryogenically frozen until the time they are to return to Earth to "fulfill prophecy"?

Well my friend all i can say is my God is the God of the impossible.
By you absolutely denying what is set before your eyes remains a mystery to me.
Why we were ever commanded to pray for the peace of israel will remain a mystery to you also.
I do have to caution you on one thing. If you use the term jews that murdered christ it will not go well with you.
For one it denies Jesus as the willing sacrifice and Jesus himself never held them accountable. What gives you the right?
Forgive them father for they no not what they do.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It's a debunked lie man, you can say it a million times it doesn't make it true. This myth is found the most on anti - Semitic websites. That tells you right there that it's wrong. But since you want to keep repeating it we will debunk it for you here.

Yes, let's stigmatize the opposition with "anti-semitic" labels and close the minds of the people before the evidence has a chance to speak.

First of all this information comes from a book, one, count it, one book. It was written by a ... historian, an expert on peoples around the world? No, a poet!! And the historicity of his book hasn't even proven to be reliable. Now here we go with some facts, so others don't believe this utter lie.

Attacking the credibility of individuals based on whether they've obtained or lack credentials is called "Argument From Authority", which they used to attack Jesus, remember? Many brilliant people in history wore a variety of hats, including poet, scholar, researcher, historian, scientist, etc. The man who brought Protestant Historicism, the movement that shook the entire world - Martin Luther - was a very talented music composer as well as a theolgian and revolutionary.

** Jews already lived in Europe a thousand years before the Khazar kingdom was formed.

By whose estimation? They were scattered, slaughtered, raped, sold into slavery, forced into pagan marriages, etc. Their DNA disappeared into the pagan gene pool.

There are no genetic markers or indicators at all showing that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Turkic tribes. In fact, there exists considerable genetic evidence showing that European Jews are closer to Levantine and Syrian Arabs than to Central Asians.

You are reading propagandist nonsense by false Christian prophets and/or imposters who stand to lose a great deal of money and support if exposed. To the contrary, this is what an HONEST Hebrew says about the subject:

"Still, in spite of repeated efforts, there is no agreed upon criterion to identify Jews, and samples examined for the distribution of biological or molecular markers all depend on the preconceived biases of the investigators."​

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** There are more"Semitic" Sephardic Jews in Israel today than there are European Ashkenazi Jews. And if the Khazars looked Turkic, how on earth could they give Ashkenazi Jews a European complexion?

So what? There are blacks who've gone over to Israel claiming to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, and have been welcomed with open arms, so are the very suble differences between the peoples you speak of that important? Subjective conclusions are always relative in the eyes of those who make suppositions. Stick with the facts of history and common sense: the Jews, as did the 10 tribes from the North, DISAPPEARED into the murky water of the global pagan gene pool long before anyone began to insist they "lived a thousand years in the land before the Khazars".

** If all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from converted Khazars, why are there Cohens and Levis among them? One inherits the status of a Cohen (priest) or Levite from one’s father. Descendants of converts through the male line can never be a Cohen or a Levite.

It's called "co-opting religion". Do some research on the BHI movement.

** Why are there no Khazar surnames among Ashkenazim, or Khazar names for towns in Europe where Jews lived? And why did most Ashkenazi communities speak variations of Yiddish rather than Turkic?

Because they co-opted the religion of Judaism in the 8th century, maybe?

As I said, this myth has been debunked.

Again, by WHO? Follow the money. Do you actually think the pagans allowed the 12 Tribes to preserve themselves pure as a people after almost 2,600 years of living among the filth of the Gentiles?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Well my friend all i can say is my God is the God of the impossible.

Oh, yes, the old, "God is the God of the impossible" though we can easily interpret prophecy to be fulfilled in Spiritual Israel, right?

By you absolutely denying what is set before your eyes remains a mystery to me.

Because the people who occupy the land of ancient Israel have nothing to do with end times prophecy, and shifting the focus of Christians from where it should be to eschatological error is dangerous.

Why we were ever commanded to pray for the peace of israel will remain a mystery to you also.

Where exactly are we commanded to pray that?

I do have to caution you on one thing. If you use the term jews that murdered christ it will not go well with you. For one it denies Jesus as the willing sacrifice and Jesus himself never held them accountable. What gives you the right? Forgive them father for they no not what they do.

Whoa, the fact Jesus had to ask the Father to forgive them PROVES they were guilty! And since when can a murder only take place if the victim fights back? That's not being very objective, but textbook subjectivity.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It's an anti- Semitic LIE !! Stop pushing here!!

If I change my name from "Phoneman" to "Goldman", will you send me money?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Nothing wrong with Spiritual Israel, it's just YOU aren't it! The church isn't Spiritual Israel!! Romans 9- 11 read it with your eyes open this time.

Spiritual Israel - the church - absolutely took over from where Literal Israel dropped the ball because they got 490 years probation from the time of the decree to send them back to Jerusalem to get their act together, but they FAILED and is why they are lost in history while the church has emerged from the Dark Ages as that light which will shine the brightest when the world is made the darkest.

 

[Phoneman-777]

As long as you keep saying it, I'll keep saying it. That is a lie disproved with genetic evidence. It was a book written by a poet. Not an expert. So you better watch it with the low information quips, because right now you're looking pretty low on info yourself. Talk about being duped. smh Hold on now, we're going on a ride...

Who are you to judge the credentials of historic figures? What about your credentials?

Genesis 13:14-15 “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are … for all the land which you see I will give to you and your descendants forever.” Genesis 15:18 “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: ‘To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates.’”

I remember reading where New Jerusalem is coming down to that location and Abraham's true descendants - those in Christ - will reside there, right?

(Genesis 15:13-14). “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions”

Historic, not future.

Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. What is a blood covenant ? I'm glad you asked!

"In the blood covenant, the contracting parties would agree on the terms of the covenant. Then they would take an animal, kill it, split the carcass in half down the backbone, and place the divided parts opposite each other on the ground forming a pathway between the pieces.

The two would join hands, recite the contents of the covenant, and walk between the divided halves of the slain animal. The blood covenant meant they were bound until death, and if either broke the terms of the covenant, his blood should be spilled as the blood of the slain animal. A blood covenant was a permanent and unconditional covenant."

Gen. 15 we see the animals prepared and God puts Abe into a deep sleep. And then what happened? God Himself passed between the animals. Making an unconditional covenant.

God said “If his sons [Israel] forsake My law and do not walk in My judgments, if they break My statutes and do not keep My commandments, then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.”

“Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him, nor allow My faithfulness to fail.”


“I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; they shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. I will plant them in their land, and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land I have given them, says the LORD your God” (Amos 9:14-15).

Literal land. A nation, born in a day. Israel. The Jews lost the title because of unbelief and disobedience. But they never lost the deed. Now you've been totally debunked. And yet your hatred won't let you believe you are wrong. But this post is so that others will know the truth from your lies. Carry on with your myths, don't let the truth stop you.

What a colossal misapplication of Scripture. Abraham's descendants are those who "are Christ's" possession, the church, in which the promises made to Abraham will be fulfilled! But, keep on dismissing this fact so you can keep on deluding yourself that a people that long ago disappeared into the surrounding nations are still intact and ready to fulfill end times prophecy. The rest of us know better.

 

[Journeyman]

One should study the distinction in Genesis between "seed [PLURAL]" and "seed [SINGULAR]"... (Gal3:16 refers specifically to the latter of these two distinct occurrences, for example).

You mention Gen15 & 17... let the reader also note that the quote from Heb11:18 ^ comes from Gen21...

Gal.4 plainly tells us Gen.21 is allegorical Hagar being Mt. Sinai, bondage and Sarah being the new Jerusalem, freedom and how Ishmael the flesh person persecuted Isaac the born again person.

The other guy I was talking to can't understand how how stories in the OT have spiritual meanings, such as the land promised to the Patriarchs being the city of peace, Jerusalem made new in Christ,

Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Mt.25:34

How about you TDW?

 

[Phoneman-777]

One should study the distinction in Genesis between "seed [PLURAL]" and "seed [SINGULAR]"... (Gal3:16 refers specifically to the latter of these two distinct occurrences, for example).

You mention Gen15 & 17... let the reader also note that the quote from Heb11:18 ^ comes from Gen21...

What distinction?

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not And to seeds, as of many, but as of one. 'And to thy seed', which is Christ." - Galatians 3:16 KJV​

All the promises are fulfilled in Christ (an the only Israel that is in Christ), not fake Jews that took over Judaism after God scattered them to the four winds of the pagan world, never to be seen again.

See the difference? Fanatics of "Literal Israel in prophecy" are following man-centered theology, while Spiritual Israel is Christ-centered theology.