The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus

[Runningman]

We know that Jesus is the firstbegotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead

And after raising Jesus up according to Moses words in Deut 18:18 (as shown in Acts 3:22 & Acts 7:37) God does so again after this manner (as recorded in the Psalm)

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The Apostles said God had to fulfill the same in the second psalm (and so he did)

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jesus the first begotten of the dead. It was the Father said unto Jesus that he had begotten him even there and was actually something that needed to be fulfilled in the OT Psalms (Psalm 2:7).

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Not to mention it also says in the same context

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

This happened after he departed the earth because if he were on earth he should not be a priest Hebrews 8:4

Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Romans 4:24 ... if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

1 Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

1 Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

2 Cr 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Acts 13:29-30 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Ephes 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ (establishing context)...19 And...the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead

Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus

John 1:14 "the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us"

The Son of God was made flesh and they named Him Jesus.

Where it says "God raised Jesus from the dead" at numerous points in the scripture then "God" is a reference to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God has revealed Himself in this way as being three in One:

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus says He will raise Himself from the dead in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18.

Because He is the Son of God, being one with His Father and the Holy Spirit, that He (the trinity) will raise Himself from the dead.

Then He raised Himself from the dead.

Do you believe this? Yes or no.

 

[4ChristAlone]

John 1:14 "the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us"

The Son of God was made flesh and they named Him Jesus.

Where it says "God raised Jesus from the dead" at numerous points in the scripture then "God" is a reference to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God has revealed Himself in this way as being three in One:

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus says He will raise Himself from the dead in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18.

Because He is the Son of God, being one with His Father and the Holy Spirit, that He (the trinity) will raise Himself from the dead.

Then He raised Himself from the dead.

Do you believe this? Yes or no.

The apostles did not say Jesus raised himself up, they say the Father raised Christ up the other seems more read into the text, theres too many verses that are plain to ignore that, besides we are told glorified not himself in respect to being begotten from the dead where he is made a high priest, its the same timing.

 

[Runningman]

The apostles did not say Jesus raised himself up, they say the Father raised Christ up the other seems more read into the text, theres too many verses that are plain to ignore that, besides we are told glorified not himself in respect to being begotten from the dead where he is made a high priest, its the same timing.

The apostles also taught that the Spirit raised Jesus up:

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you

Other times they just said "God" or sometimes they said Father.

Jesus Himself said He would raise Himself up. That the apostles don't mention that is not a good reason to discount Jesus' own words.

I'll take it as a resounding "no" that you definitely don't believe Jesus raised Himself up despite the overwhelming evidence mentioned in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18.

Honestly I think that's a problem and I hope you get that worked out.

 

[4ChristAlone]

The apostles also taught that the Spirit raised Jesus up:

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you

Other times they just said "God" or sometimes they said Father.

Jesus Himself said He would raise Himself up. That the apostles don't mention that is not a good reason to discount Jesus' own words.

I'll take it as a resounding "no" that you definitely don't believe Jesus raised Himself up despite the overwhelming evidence mentioned in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18.

Honestly I think that's a problem and I hope you get that worked out.

God is Spirit.

The Spirit of God raised Jesus from the dead

 

[ewq1938]

According to the Bible Jesus said He will raise Himself up after His crucifixion. Either He meant that or He didnt.

He didn't say that. Can you explain why zero verses after the resurrection say that Jesus raised himself from the dead? Why do ALL of them credit the Father or the HS? That's 2/3's of the Trinity.

 

[Runningman]

He didn't say that. Can you explain why zero verses after the resurrection say that Jesus raised himself from the dead? Why do ALL of them credit the Father or the HS? That's 2/3's of the Trinity.

It is not stated after the resurrection plainly in a sentence that Jesus raised Himself from the dead, (as far as I've found) but that's not a reason to discount it. It says so in John chapter 2 and 19.

Actually, God identifies Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is is the Son of God. The Son of God is God, but the Father and Holy Spirit are also God.

Ipso facto, Jesus resurrected Himself from the dead. The apostles knew this because Jesus said it.

It's stated through the scriptures that Jesus is God:

Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Colossians 2:9
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 John 5:20
20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 Peter 1:1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Acts 20:28
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus is the resurrection:

John 11:25
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

1 Corinthians 15:20-22
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


God resurrected Jesus:

Acts 2:24
24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

Father:
Galatians 1:1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Son:
John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Holy Spirit:
1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[ewq1938]

It is not stated after the resurrection

That's because it didn't happen.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

God the Father raised his son Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

It is not stated after the resurrection plainly in a sentence that Jesus raised Himself from the dead, (as far as I've found) but that's not a reason to discount it. It says so in John chapter 2 and 19.

Actually, God identifies Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is is the Son of God. The Son of God is God, but the Father and Holy Spirit are also God.

Ipso facto, Jesus resurrected Himself from the dead. The apostles knew this because Jesus said it.

It's stated through the scriptures that Jesus is God:

Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Colossians 2:9
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 John 5:20
20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 Peter 1:1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Acts 20:28
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus is the resurrection:

John 11:25
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

1 Corinthians 15:20-22
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


God resurrected Jesus:

Acts 2:24
24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

Father:
Galatians 1:1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Son:
John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Holy Spirit:
1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

John chapter 2 and 10*

 

[Runningman]

That's because it didn't happen

Do you believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God?

Yes or no

 

[ewq1938]

Do you believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God?

Yes or no

See post 85. Do you believe in the Trinity?

 

[Runningman]

See post 85. Do you believe in the Trinity?

You didn't answer the question. Do you deny the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Yes or no

 

[ewq1938]

You didn't answer the question. Do you deny the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Yes or no

That is answered in post 85. You are the only one not answering the question.

 

[Runningman]

That is answered in post 85. You are the only one not answering the question.

I responded to that with post #86.

 

[4ChristAlone]

Again, the Apostles said God had to fulfill the second psalm (See Luke 24:44)

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Speaking of

Rev 1:5 Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead

The Son also declares the decree,

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

As it relates to the same picture, Hebrews says,

Hebrews 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron

We have two witnesses between the Father and the Son and Hebrews also starts off confirming

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Strong crying and tears unto him (God the Father) that was able to save him (Jesus) from death

Heb 5:7-9 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

And not without a oath, Jesus is

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

And we know this is at the right hand of the Father when this is declared

Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

And Jesus also saying

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psalm 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psal 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

In the same context

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (1 Cr 8:6)

Not to mention that God himself had sworn an oath to David (Acts 2:30) that he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne and again Hebrews 7:20 confirms that inasmuch as it was not without an oath he was made priest.

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Psalm 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

 

[Runningman]

Again, the Apostles said God had to fulfill the second psalm (See Luke 24:44)

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Speaking of

Rev 1:5 Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead

The Son also declares the decree,

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

As it relates to the same picture, Hebrews says,

Hebrews 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron

We have two witnesses between the Father and the Son and Hebrews also starts off confirming

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Strong crying and tears unto him (God the Father) that was able to save him (Jesus) from death

Heb 5:7-9 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

And not without a oath, Jesus is

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

And we know this is at the right hand of the Father when this is declared

Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

And Jesus also saying

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psalm 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psal 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

In the same context

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (1 Cr 8:6)

Not to mention that God himself had sworn an oath to David (Acts 2:30) that he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne and again Hebrews 7:20 confirms that inasmuch as it was not without an oath he was made priest.

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Psalm 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

I think we are actually agreeing more than you think.

We agree God raised Jesus up from the dead. This is indisputable.

We agree Jesus is God in human form. He is the Son of God, His Father and Himself are one, the Holy Spirit descended and stayed upon Him at His baptism.

We agree God is known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We agree that only God has resurrection power.

What you're actually having a hard time with for some reason, I haven't figured out why yet, is that you don't seem to take Jesus at His word in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18 where He bluntly says He will resurrect Himself in three days.

Maybe you don't understand the Trinity and if so that's alright many people struggle with it.

On page one of this thread I posted a helpful graphic that illustrates the Trinity. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[Live4Him]

What you're actually having a hard time with for some reason, I haven't figured out why yet, is that you don't seem to take Jesus at His word in John 2:19 and John 10:17-18 where He bluntly says He will resurrect Himself in three days.

Personally, I don't believe that Jesus "bluntly says he will resurrect himself" in John 10:17-18.

John chapter 10

[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

No offense, but it seems to me that you're overlooking this whole "this commandment have I received of my Father" part which qualifies what Jesus actually said.

Please allow me to explain.

The same John who penned this gospel also penned the book of Revelation.

There, we read:

Revelation chapter 2

[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

In both John's gospel and the book of Revelation, Jesus refers to that which "I received of my Father". In Revelation chapter 2, it's rather obvious that Jesus is referring to a recorded conversation between him and God the Father in the second psalm, and I personally believe that what Jesus said in John 10:17-18 is an allusion to the second psalm (and possibly other portions of Old Testament scripture too) as well.

Turning to the second psalm, we read:

Psalm 2

[1] Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
[2] The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
[3] Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

The first 3 verses of this prophetic Messianic psalm refer to the time when the Gentiles ("the heathen"), the people of Israel ("the people"), Herod ("the kings of the earth"), and Pilate ("the rulers") conspired together to crucify Christ. This is by no means my own private interpretation, but rather the plain teaching of scripture.

Acts chapter 4

[23] And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.
[24] And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
[25] Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
[26] The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
[27] For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
[28] For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

God's response?

Psalm 2

[4] He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[5] Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[6] Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

God laughs, derides them, speaks unto them in his wrath, vexes them in his sore displeasure, and says:

"Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion."

How can the crucified Christ yet be God's king upon his holy hill of Zion?

By God raising him from the dead, as is stated in the very next verse:

Psalm 2

[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Here, we are privileged to hear a recorded conversation between Jesus and God the Father.

This is who is saying what to whom:

"I (Jesus) will declare the decree: the LORD (God the Father) hath said unto me (Jesus), Thou (Jesus) are my (God the Father's) Son; this day have I (God the Father) begotten thee (Jesus)."

Here, it is clearly the Father who is begetting the Son, and Jesus was begotten on the day in which God the Father raised him from the dead. Again, this is not my private interpretation, but rather the plain teaching of scripture.

Acts chapter 13

[26] Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
[27] For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
[28] And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
[29] And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
[30] But God raised him from the dead:
[31] And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
[32] And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
[33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

In fulfillment of what he promised in the second psalm, GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD on the day in which Jesus was truly begotten.

THIS is part of what I believe Jesus was referring to in John 10:17-18 in relation to "this commandment have I received of my Father".

Continuing on in the second psalm, we read:

Psalm 2

[8] Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
[9] Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

This is a continuation of the same exact conversation between Jesus and God the Father that began in verse 7.

Here is who is talking to whom:

"Ask (Jesus is the one being told to ask) of me (God the Father), and I (God the Father) shall give unto thee (Jesus) the heathen for thine (Jesus') inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy (Jesus') possession. Thou (Jesus) shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou (Jesus) shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."

Again, this is not my own private interpretation, but rather the plain teaching of scripture.

We read:

Revelation chapter 2

[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Where did Jesus receive this of his Father?

In Psalm 2, even as we just read.

With this in mind, we need to be asking ourselves:

Where did Jesus receive the commandment of his Father that he referenced in John 10:17-18?

I can tell you of a certainty that one place where he received such a commandment was in Psalm 2:7 in relation to the day in which GOD would raise him from the dead or in relation to the day in which Jesus was truly begotten.

With such in mind, I would heartily suggest to you that the burden of proof is upon you to show us anywhere in the Old Testament where Jesus received a commandment from the Father TO RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD.

Personally, I don't believe that you'll be able to do so, but I'll certainly consider any attempts that you might make to do so.

(continued in my next post)

 

[Live4Him]

(continued from my previous post)


As far as Jesus being raised after 3 days is concerned, the same exact principle applies.

In relation to the same, Jesus gave the example of Jonah:

Matthew chapter 12

[38] Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Did Jonah, figuratively-speaking, raise himself from the whale's belly OR did he cry out to God to do the same?

We read:

Jonah chapter 2

[1] Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
[3] For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
[4] Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
[5] The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
[6] I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
[7] When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
[8] They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
[9] But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
[10] And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

It's rather obvious that God, and not Jonah himself, brought up Jonah's life from corruption.

Speaking of "corruption", what about this?

Acts chapter 2

[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
[25] For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
[26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
[27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
[28] Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
[30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Part of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost was taken directly from Psalm 16, another prophetic Messianic psalm

Again, it is clear that GOD RAISED UP JESUS FROM THE DEAD, and that Jesus had to place his hope in God in relation to the same.

Anyhow, like I said, the burden of proof is upon you to show anywhere in scripture where Jesus received a commandment from his Father that he could RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD.

If you cannot do so, then you need to drop John 10:17-18 as an alleged proof text for what you're asserting here.

 

[Runningman]

(continued from my previous post)


As far as Jesus being raised after 3 days is concerned, the same exact principle applies.

In relation to the same, Jesus gave the example of Jonah:

Matthew chapter 12

[38] Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Did Jonah, figuratively-speaking, raise himself from the whale's belly OR did he cry out to God to do the same?

We read:

Jonah chapter 2

[1] Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
[3] For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
[4] Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
[5] The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
[6] I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
[7] When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
[8] They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
[9] But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
[10] And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

It's rather obvious that God, and not Jonah himself, brought up Jonah's life from corruption.

Speaking of "corruption", what about this?

Acts chapter 2

[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
[25] For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
[26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
[27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
[28] Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
[30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Part of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost was taken directly from Psalm 16, another prophetic Messianic psalm

Again, it is clear that GOD RAISED UP JESUS FROM THE DEAD, and that Jesus had to place his hope in God in relation to the same.

Anyhow, like I said, the burden of proof is upon you to show anywhere in scripture where Jesus received a commandment from his Father that he could RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD.

If you cannot do so, then you need to drop John 10:17-18 as an alleged proof text for what you're asserting here.

While I appreciate you citing all of those scriptures and discussing them, I'm afraid they do not adequately address the matter at hand because it takes too narrow of a view.

You disregarded a key scripture in your exegesis and that's ok because we're learning here.

Did you realize that I have already presented burden of proof for the Bible saying Jesus will raise Himself from the dead, are you disagreeing with scripture, or were you unaware of John 2:19? Just an honest question to figure what angle you're coming from.

Jesus said He will resurrect Himself below. Do you believe that He resurrected Himself like His disciples did or no?

John 2:19-22
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus received the commandment to raise Himself from the dead from His Father:

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

[Live4Him]

While I appreciate you citing all of those scriptures and discussing them, I'm afraid they do not adequately address the matter at hand because it takes too narrow of a view.

You disregarded a key scripture in your exegesis and that's ok because we're learning here.

Did you realize that I have already presented burden of proof for the Bible saying Jesus will raise Himself from the dead, are you disagreeing with scripture, or were you unaware of John 2:19? Just an honest question to figure what angle you're coming from.

Jesus said He will resurrect Himself below. Do you believe that He resurrected Himself like His disciples did or no?

John 2:19-22
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus received the commandment to raise Himself from the dead from His Father:

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The only angle that I'm ever coming from is the angle of rightly-divided Biblical truth.

Again, I only addressed John 10:17-18 in my initial response here, and you've done nothing to support your claims in regard to that particular portion of scripture.

Where did Jesus receive the commandment from his Father that he spoke of?

It's a simple question, and one that I've already partially answered myself.

As far as John 2:19-22 is concerned, I have no commentary at the moment, but I'm certainly considering what you said (not that I haven't already considered that for many years) in regard to that particular portion of scripture.

 

[Runningman]

Where did Jesus receive the commandment from his Father that he spoke of?

The Father probably spoke directly to Jesus in prayer or it was prophesied in the scriptures that Jesus would lay down His life. In any case, Jesus said His Father commanded Him to lay down His life. Jesus said He had the power to take His life back up. Earlier, Jesus said He definitively would raise it back up.

Jesus said it. That settles it. Burden of proof resolved.

What further proofs do you want?

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.