The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus

[Live4Him]

The Father probably spoke directly to Jesus in prayer or it was prophesied in the scriptures that Jesus would lay down His life. In any case, Jesus said His Father commanded Him to lay down His life. Jesus said He had the power to take His life back up. Earlier, Jesus said He definitively would raise it back up.

Jesus said it. That settles it. Burden of proof resolved.

What further proofs do you want?

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Actually, that doesn't settle anything.

In fact, you inadvertently proved my point by saying "or it was prophesied in the scriptures that Jesus would lay down his life". Yes, it was, and it was also REPEATEDLY PROPHESIED IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT GOD THE FATHER WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

Again, show me/us anywhere in the Old Testament scriptures where it was prophesied that Christ would raise himself from the dead.

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single one, but I can think of many places where it was prophesied that GOD WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

In fact, the more that I think about it, I would suggest that you revisit what Jesus said in John chapter 2.

We read:

John chapter 2

[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

What "scripture" did Jesus' disciples believe AFTER "he was risen from the dead" in relation to his resurrection?

After his resurrection, the following interaction occurred between Jesus and his disciples:

Luke chapter 24

[44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.

Can you show me/us anywhere "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it was prophesied or foreshadowed that Jesus would raise himself from the dead?

I honestly don't think that you can, but I'm willing to consider any scriptural references which you might provide.

At the same time, I can show you multiple places "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it is either prophesied or foreshadowed that GOD THE FATHER would raise Jesus from the dead.

Again, the burden of proof is upon you to back your assertions.

I've already partially backed my own, and I could easily back them further.

 

[Runningman]

Actually, that doesn't settle anything.

In fact, you inadvertently proved my point by saying "or it was prophesied in the scriptures that Jesus would lay down his life". Yes, it was, and it was also REPEATEDLY PROPHESIED IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT GOD THE FATHER WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

Again, show me/us anywhere in the Old Testament scriptures where it was prophesied that Christ would raise himself from the dead.

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single one, but I can think of many places where it was prophesied that GOD WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

In fact, the more that I think about it, I would suggest that you revisit what Jesus said in John chapter 2.

We read:

John chapter 2

[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

What "scripture" did Jesus' disciples believe AFTER "he was risen from the dead" in relation to his resurrection?

After his resurrection, the following interaction occurred between Jesus and his disciples:

Luke chapter 24

[44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.

Can you show me/us anywhere "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it was prophesied or foreshadowed that Jesus would raise himself from the dead?

I honestly don't think that you can, but I'm willing to consider any scriptural references which you might provide.

At the same time, I can show you multiple places "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it is either prophesied or foreshadowed that GOD THE FATHER would raise Jesus from the dead.

Again, the burden of proof is upon you to back your assertions.

I've already partially backed my own, and I could easily back them further.

You inadvertently proved my point or rather seem to neglect that Jesus is God when the scritptures say God will raise/has raised Jesus from the dead.

Either rethink your position and include Jesus in your God theology or none of what you're saying really quite hits the mark.

They tore the down the temple of Jesus' body and Jesus raised it again along with the Father and Holy Spirit.

100% scriptural and the Bible proves it through the Old and New Testament. This is Christian theology 101.

 

[Runningman]

Actually, that doesn't settle anything.

In fact, you inadvertently proved my point by saying "or it was prophesied in the scriptures that Jesus would lay down his life". Yes, it was, and it was also REPEATEDLY PROPHESIED IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT GOD THE FATHER WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

Again, show me/us anywhere in the Old Testament scriptures where it was prophesied that Christ would raise himself from the dead.

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single one, but I can think of many places where it was prophesied that GOD WOULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

In fact, the more that I think about it, I would suggest that you revisit what Jesus said in John chapter 2.

We read:

John chapter 2

[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

What "scripture" did Jesus' disciples believe AFTER "he was risen from the dead" in relation to his resurrection?

After his resurrection, the following interaction occurred between Jesus and his disciples:

Luke chapter 24

[44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.

Can you show me/us anywhere "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it was prophesied or foreshadowed that Jesus would raise himself from the dead?

I honestly don't think that you can, but I'm willing to consider any scriptural references which you might provide.

At the same time, I can show you multiple places "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms" where it is either prophesied or foreshadowed that GOD THE FATHER would raise Jesus from the dead.

Again, the burden of proof is upon you to back your assertions.

I've already partially backed my own, and I could easily back them further.

Let's throw in post #1 for good measure:

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

Galatians 1:1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[ewq1938]

You inadvertently proved my point or rather seem to neglect that Jesus is God when the scritptures say God will raise/has raised Jesus from the dead.

Either rethink your position and include Jesus in your God theology or none of what you're saying really quite hits the mark.

They tore the down the temple of Jesus' body and Jesus raised it again along with the Father and Holy Spirit.

The bible doesn't support that. It only credits the Father and the HS. You have only two verses while we have closer to 30 that exclude Jesus from resurrecting himself. You have one that says Christ had the power to lay down his life and take it back again. Since he didn't commit suicide, we also cannot say he was going to resurrect himself. He allowed himself to be killed and he will allow his Father to resurrect him. The other verse is simply Jesus speaking what he Father gave him which he mentions in the same book of John.

 

[Runningman]

The bible doesn't support that. It only credits the Father and the HS. You have only two verses while we have closer to 30 that exclude Jesus from resurrecting himself. You have one that says Christ had the power to lay down his life and take it back again. Since he didn't commit suicide, we also cannot say he was going to resurrect himself. He allowed himself to be killed and he will allow his Father to resurrect him. The other verse is simply Jesus speaking what he Father gave him which he mentions in the same book of John.

Jesus said He will raise Himself from the dead. You can take it or leave it, but you've chosen to leave it.

Scriptures also say "God raised Jesus from the dead" not specifing if it is the Father or Son or Holy Spirit.

We can get a well-rounded view of the resurrection by taking all evidence into consideration whether there is a single verse for it or a million verses for it is a moot point.

That's bad theology.

You're basically saying "Don't pay attention to those one or two verses where Jesus says He will raise Himself from the dead because it's outnumbered by other verses that don't specifically state Jesus raised Himself from the dead."

That isn't how Bible reading works.

Another moot point is saying that there are no references to Jesus raising Himself outside of the gospels. Bad theology that ignores that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One.

Jesus is God, God raised Jesus from the dead. God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[4ChristAlone]

I think we are actually agreeing more than you think.

I only post scripture to these things and try to stay out of the personal interpretation added. When in doubt as to what Jesus meant I return to the apostles and/or to OT scriptures is what I did as Live4Him pointed out much the same.

Maybe you don't understand the Trinity and if so that's alright many people struggle with it.

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Father Son and Holy Ghost?

 

[Runningman]

I only post scripture to these things and try to stay out of the personal interpretation added. When in doubt as to what Jesus meant I return to the apostles and/or to OT scriptures is what I did as Live4Him pointed out much the same.



Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Father Son and Holy Ghost?

I agree with everything all of you are saying except the bit that asserts Jesus was not involved in His own resurrection.

I believe He did take part in His own resurrection because He is God. We cannot separate the Father from the Son or Holy Spirit because that's who God is.

I think we've hashed it out and I urge the readers to not say the Son of God was not involved in His own resurrection because the implication of that is you're saying He doesn't have Deity. It's a massive error and that's why I gave you all the benefit of the doubt that you must be misunderstanding the Trinity.

 

[4ChristAlone]

I agree with everything all of you are saying except the bit that asserts Jesus was not involved in His own resurrection.

Can you quote what I said exactly.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus said He will raise Himself from the dead. You can take it or leave it, but you've chosen to leave it.

Evidence has been presented that shows Christ did not say he was going to raise himself. Since all the scriptures that speak of who did raise him exclude him from raising himself we can only conclude that he didn't.

Scriptures also say "God raised Jesus from the dead" not specifing if it is the Father or Son or Holy Spirit.

That's obviously a reference to the Father.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)


Pretty clear isn't it?

We can get a well-rounded view of the resurrection by taking all evidence into consideration whether there is a single verse for it or a million verses for it is a moot point.

That's bad theology.

Misinterpreting two verses is bad theology.

 

[Runningman]

Can you quote what I said exactly.

You've said numerous things, but the most recent thing you've said that seems to indicate your doubt about the fact that Jesus acted in raising Himself from the dead according to John 2:19:

Post #106:
"I only post scripture to these things and try to stay out of the personal interpretation added.

When in doubt as to what Jesus meant I return to the apostles and/or to OT scriptures is what I did as Live4Him pointed out much the same."
Quote: 4ChristAlone

1. You think Jesus saying He would raise Himself from the dead is a personal interpretation. It isn't and His disciples didn't think it was either:

John 2:22
22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

2. You're in doubt about what Jesus said even though I'm thrilled you're turning to the scriptures.

The only way your false premise that Jesus didn't raise Himself from the did works is if you exclude the Son from the Trinity.

Which is what you are attempting to do even though you openly show sound understanding of Who the Trinity includes.

Take another look at it, pray about it, see if you realize anything.

 

[Runningman]

Evidence has been presented that shows Christ did not say he was going to raise himself. Since all the scriptures that speak of who did raise him exclude him from raising himself we can only conclude that he didn't.



That's obviously a reference to the Father.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)


Pretty clear isn't it?





Misinterpreting two verses is bad theology.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. You aren't arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with the Bible. You have a problem with it take it up with God.

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God.

Galatians 1:1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[4ChristAlone]

You've said numerous things...

The exact quote you were referring to in that post is what I am referring to.

 

[ewq1938]

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

The bible does not support that Jesus raised himself from the dead. His Father did that through the Holy Spirit as already proven. You are arguing against a multitude of scripture in favor of two misinterpreted verses. This whole thing about Jesus being God is a strawman fallacy since no one denies he is God/Divine. Him being the second person of the Trinity has nothing to do with who scriptures says raised Jesus from the dead. It wasn't the full Trinity but 2/3 as previously stated.

 

[Runningman]

The bible does not support that Jesus raised himself from the dead. His Father did that through the Holy Spirit as already proven. You are arguing against a multitude of scripture in favor of two misinterpreted verses. This whole thing about Jesus being God is a strawman fallacy since no one denies he is God/Divine. Him being the second person of the Trinity has nothing to do with who scriptures says raised Jesus from the dead. It wasn't the full Trinity but 2/3 as previously stated.

I know what you stated and it's poorly divided scripture.

Something about Jesus being God and raising Himself from the dead really seems to get under your skin. You even just went so far as to call the usage of "Jesus being God" a straw man, you're treading into blasphemy territory. Jesus is God. Will you admit that?

What are you going to do with John 2:19 even after all the hoop jumping and scripture mangling you just did to try to undo the deity of Jesus and His resurrection power?

 

[ewq1938]

I know what you stated and it's poorly divided scripture.

Poorly dividing scripture is your position not mine. Taking all scriptures regarding the resurrection, it is clear God the Father used the Holy Spirit to resurrect Jesus. Jesus did not resurrect himself. Taking two misinterpreted scriptures and ignoring what the other scriptures say is poor exegesis.

 

[Runningman]

Poorly dividing scripture is your position not mine. Taking all scriptures regarding the resurrection, it is clear God the Father used the Holy Spirit to resurrect Jesus. Jesus did not resurrect himself. Taking two misinterpreted scriptures and ignoring what the other scriptures say is poor exegesis.

Do you confess Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) has raised Him from the dead?

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

[4ChristAlone]

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

 

[ewq1938]

Do you confess Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) has raised Him from the dead?

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The one called God in that verse is a reference to the Father not the Son. The Father raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus did not raise himself. Scripture is quite clear on that and that's what I confess.

 

[Runningman]

The one called God in that verse is a reference to the Father not the Son. The Father raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus did not raise himself. Scripture is quite clear on that and that's what I confess.

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I encourage you to study this. It's vitally important to understand who God is and who we are actually placing our faith in. As far as I can tell you have missed some key points about who God is.

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[ewq1938]

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I encourage you to study this. It's vitally important to understand who God is and who we are actually placing our faith in. As far as I can tell you have missed some key points about who God is.

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This is a strawman fallacy. No one is denying any part of the Trinity so stop making that accusation.