Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[TheIndianGirl]

The bible explains these disorders as possession by (devils) they didnt have unsaved Sigmund Freuds to look to in fabricated claims

Perhaps you need to do a little homework

Advanced technology such as MRIs, blood tests, etc. were not available during Jesus' time. A lot of mental health disorders can be traced back to medical reasons. Brain issues and vitamin deficiencies (vitamin D, B-12, etc.) result can result in mental disorders. Not all mental disorder is possession. Mental disorder caused by childhood trauma, war (PTSD), etc. is not possession.

 

[cv5]

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad.” John 8:56

No doubt Abraham comprehended the essence of the cross. To what extent we do not know.

 

[Truth7t7]

Advanced technology such as MRIs, blood tests, etc. were not available during Jesus' time. A lot of mental health disorders can be traced back to medical reasons. Brain issues and vitamin deficiencies (vitamin D, B-12, etc.) result can result in mental disorders. Not all mental disorder is possession. Mental disorder caused by childhood trauma, war (PTSD), etc. is not possession.

Topic (Multiple Personality) (Bipolar) Disorders

Man's school of psychology, gives total disregard to the fact of the spiritual possession by (devils) as seen below.

A man unable to be controlled with chains, cutting himself with stones?

What diagnosis would modern psychology put on this man, possessed with a legion of (devils) 1,000?

Mark 5:1-15KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

 

[Aidan1]

Abraham may not have known the Name of Jesus . . . he didn't have to. Yes, Abraham believed in the Messiah.

Galatians 3:8 NKJV - "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, [saying], "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

Matthew 1:1 NKJV - "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham . . ."

Well, this was not my point. The point is that the OT believers had not the Holy Spirit given like we have today since the day of Pentecost.

 

[Aidan1]

Are you saying that Jesus did not bodily resurrect?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We talk about Martin Luther

 

[Aidan1]

Abraham & Moses did put their faith in Jesus. They both met him.

Deuteronomy 34
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt – to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.


"the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward" 1 Samuel 16:13.

Well, God revealed Moses not as Jesus Christ, who was born from Mary.
Yes Mose met Jesus together with Elia and Peter, John and Jakob on the Mount.
But not in the time when he lived on earth.

 

[Dino246]

Go back and read the thread.
...
Attackin the Chef will not change the fact that God don't want women yappin in the church.

If you consider asking a simple, straightforward question "attacking", you're on the wrong planet.

Once again: Which logical fallacy? You accused 101G of employing a logical fallacy. Which was it?

 

[Dino246]

The bible explains these disorders as possession by (devils)

Really? Which verse(s)?

I guarantee the Bible says nothing of the sort, so I look forward to the comedic response you'll provide.

 

[notuptome]

We talk about Martin Luther

That's a relief.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Topic (Multiple Personality) (Bipolar) Disorders

Man's school of psychology, gives total disregard to the fact of the spiritual possession by (devils) as seen below.

A man unable to be controlled with chains, cutting himself with stones?

What diagnosis would modern psychology put on this man, possessed with a legion of (devils) 1,000?

Mark 5:1-15KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

If possessed by the devil, how is it that bipolar medication helps/works? The devil succumbs to medication? I think to cast an entire disease as demon possessed isn't accurate.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Well, this was not my point. The point is that the OT believers had not the Holy Spirit given like we have today since the day of Pentecost.

Well of course they did.

 

[Truth7t7]

If possessed by the devil, how is it that bipolar medication helps/works? The devil succumbs to medication? I think to cast an entire disease as demon possessed isn't accurate.

I think secular psychology's disregard of (devil) possession is inaccurate, you give complete disregard to this fact

Christian's need to follow the Lord, his word and promises

Isaiah 26:3KJV
3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

 

[Truth7t7]

If possessed by the devil, how is it that bipolar medication helps/works? The devil succumbs to medication? I think to cast an entire disease as demon possessed isn't accurate.

Man's school of psychology, gives total disregard to the fact of the spiritual possession by (devils) as seen below.

A man unable to be controlled with chains, cutting himself with stones?

What diagnosis would modern psychology put on this man, possessed with a legion of (devils) 2,000? :giggle:

Mark 5:1-15KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Man's school of psychology, gives total disregard to the fact of the spiritual possession by (devils) as seen below.

A man unable to be controlled with chains, cutting himself with stones?

What diagnosis would modern psychology put on this man, possessed with a legion of (devils) 2,000? :giggle:

Mark 5:1-15KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

This man is possessed. Here are the signs:
https://www.churchpop.com/2018/01/2...ession-according-to-chicagos-expert-exorcist/

However if a person can be treated with medication that would not be possession. I do not think the devil would succomb to medication.

 

[Major]

Well, God revealed Moses not as Jesus Christ, who was born from Mary.
Yes Mose met Jesus together with Elia and Peter, John and Jakob on the Mount.
But not in the time when he lived on earth.

I would suggest to you that Moses, Abraham, Daniel, Joshua and Jacob actually saw and spoke to the pre-incarnant Christ.

Dr. John Walvoord in his great book, Jesus Christ Our Lord, makes the following statement about these Old Testament appearances......
“It is safe to assume that every visible manifestation of God in bodily form in the Old Testament is to be identified with the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Walvoord, 54)

In John 8, Jesus made the statement that Abraham rejoiced to see His day.

Pre-incarnate = before the incarnation, or before Jesus’ birth by Mary in Bethlehem. Jesus’ enemies understood the implications of His statement and questioned him about it. They were so enraged by Jesus’ claim to be older than Abraham that they picked up stones to try and stone Him to death.

 

[cv5]

I would suggest to you that Moses, Abraham, Daniel, Joshua and Jacob actually saw and spoke to the pre-incarnant Christ.

Dr. John Walvoord in his great book, Jesus Christ Our Lord, makes the following statement about these Old Testament appearances......
“It is safe to assume that every visible manifestation of God in bodily form in the Old Testament is to be identified with the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Walvoord, 54)

In John 8, Jesus made the statement that Abraham rejoiced to see His day.

Pre-incarnate = before the incarnation, or before Jesus’ birth by Mary in Bethlehem. Jesus’ enemies understood the implications of His statement and questioned him about it. They were so enraged by Jesus’ claim to be older than Abraham that they picked up stones to try and stone Him to death.

Thus far I have never heard anything coming from Dr. John Walvoord that I did not agree with.
A great theologian and someone who faithfully dispenses the gospel IMO.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well of course they did.

My study finds that the only place in the Old Testament that a man is filled with God's spirit is in Exodus 31:3 below, and you will note (spirit) is lower case, not showing deity?

All others the Spirit of God came upon them?

Exodus 31:1-6KJV
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
6 And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;

 

[Truth7t7]

Thus far I have never heard anything coming from Dr. John Walvoord that I did not agree with.
A great theologian and someone who faithfully dispenses the gospel IMO.

John Walvoord, From the Cemetary at Dallas Theological, that was started by (Lewis S. Chafer), the prodigy of Adulterer C.I. Scofield

 

[Dino246]

John Walvoord, From the Cemetary at Dallas Theological, that was started by (Lewis S. Chafer), the prodigy of Adulterer C.I. Scofield

Your proclivity to employing genetic fallacies is sad.

 

[Aidan1]

I would suggest to you that Moses, Abraham, Daniel, Joshua and Jacob actually saw and spoke to the pre-incarnant Christ.

Dr. John Walvoord in his great book, Jesus Christ Our Lord, makes the following statement about these Old Testament appearances......
“It is safe to assume that every visible manifestation of God in bodily form in the Old Testament is to be identified with the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Walvoord, 54)

In John 8, Jesus made the statement that Abraham rejoiced to see His day.

Pre-incarnate = before the incarnation, or before Jesus’ birth by Mary in Bethlehem. Jesus’ enemies understood the implications of His statement and questioned him about it. They were so enraged by Jesus’ claim to be older than Abraham that they picked up stones to try and stone Him to death.

Yes, I agree with you. Btw i have Dr. Walvoords Comentarys for the OT and NT