50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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There is no 3.5 year gap between immediately after and the second coming, your using that rubber yardstick, trying desperately to make your Historicism fit
No the Abomination of desolation didnt take place in 167AD with Antiochus Epiphanies, it's a future event unfulfilled, that will see the (Little Horn/Antichrist) present on earth until the (Consummation) The End!
Merrian-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
No the Abomination of desolation didnt take place in 167AD with Antiochus Epiphanies, it's a future event unfulfilled, that will see the (Little Horn/Antichrist) present on earth until the (Consummation) The End!
Merrian-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Okay... but did you agree with any part of the rest of my post (which was an effort to explain how we can determine the length intended)??
--Rev7:14 ("THE GREAT tribulation") connects back with what Jesus said in Matt24:21,15
--Matt24:21,15 then connects back with Dan12:11 ("A[singular]ofD[singular]), which context (vv.6-7,1) provides an answer to "how long?" ('for a time, times, and an half')
--Dan12:11 and vv.6-7,1 then connects back with Dan7:25,27, where v.25 also says "a time, and times, and the dividing of time" (and parts of vv.20-25[v.11] correspond with Rev13:5-7,1)
--Dan7:25,27 then corresponds with Rev12:14 "for a time, times, and half a time" (where the "[re: the woman...] ...FLY to the wilderness" corresponds to what Jesus had said in Matt24:21,15[16] "FLEE into the mountains")
--Rev12:14 then connects back with Rev12:6 "[re: the woman]... FLED into the wilderness" and saying "that they should feed her there 1260 days"
... and my view is that, even though Dan12:6-7,1 (the answer to "how long...?") is worded distinctly from Dan7:25,27 (Hebrew vs. Aramaic), I believe they speak of the exact same time-period... but that 12:6-7 uses words that will be made abundantly clear to those Jews/Israel who find themselves in that future time period, and who will have come to faith during same [that is, FOLLOWING "our Rapture"], that this is to whom [i.e "the WISE [of Israel]," per context] that the words in v.4 will most especially apply ("knowledge shall be increased"), who will "understand" (v.10 "the WISE will understand") the specificity with which 12:6-7 phrases the time-period... IOW, it isn't just "any random time-period [start and finish]" but instead, very specific (per the wording here in vv.6-7).
My conclusion: a very specific set of 1260 days.
[and recall: Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 says the future aspects of that Book are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... and these other passages are just a PART of that, namely from the 5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth MID-point... there will then be 1260 days remaining until the END of the trib... and this corresponds with Rev12:12's "because he [Satan] knoweth he hath but A SHORT TIME"... and if my recollection is accurate, that phrase (in the bold) used elsewhere never meant "a lengthy period of time"
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--Rev7:14 ("THE GREAT tribulation") connects back with what Jesus said in Matt24:21,15
--Matt24:21,15 then connects back with Dan12:11 ("A[singular]ofD[singular]), which context (vv.6-7,1) provides an answer to "how long?" ('for a time, times, and an half')
--Dan12:11 and vv.6-7,1 then connects back with Dan7:25,27, where v.25 also says "a time, and times, and the dividing of time" (and parts of vv.20-25[v.11] correspond with Rev13:5-7,1)
--Dan7:25,27 then corresponds with Rev12:14 "for a time, times, and half a time" (where the "[re: the woman...] ...FLY to the wilderness" corresponds to what Jesus had said in Matt24:21,15[16] "FLEE into the mountains")
--Rev12:14 then connects back with Rev12:6 "[re: the woman]... FLED into the wilderness" and saying "that they should feed her there 1260 days"
... and my view is that, even though Dan12:6-7,1 (the answer to "how long...?") is worded distinctly from Dan7:25,27 (Hebrew vs. Aramaic), I believe they speak of the exact same time-period... but that 12:6-7 uses words that will be made abundantly clear to those Jews/Israel who find themselves in that future time period, and who will have come to faith during same [that is, FOLLOWING "our Rapture"], that this is to whom [i.e "the WISE [of Israel]," per context] that the words in v.4 will most especially apply ("knowledge shall be increased"), who will "understand" (v.10 "the WISE will understand") the specificity with which 12:6-7 phrases the time-period... IOW, it isn't just "any random time-period [start and finish]" but instead, very specific (per the wording here in vv.6-7).
My conclusion: a very specific set of 1260 days.
[and recall: Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 says the future aspects of that Book are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... and these other passages are just a PART of that, namely from the 5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth MID-point... there will then be 1260 days remaining until the END of the trib... and this corresponds with Rev12:12's "because he [Satan] knoweth he hath but A SHORT TIME"... and if my recollection is accurate, that phrase (in the bold) used elsewhere never meant "a lengthy period of time"
]Relative To The Time The Words Were Written?
(No No Ever Shall Be) Has No Time Frame (FACT)
World War II with 75 million casualties, with 6 millions Jews in the count, and you want to claim this was fulfilled historically prior to 1940 and World War II
More rubber rulers Gary, trying to put glue on the torn patchwork of Historicism in Preterism, toooo many isms my friend
In Love!
Jesus Christ Is Lord!
(No No Ever Shall Be) Has No Time Frame (FACT)
World War II with 75 million casualties, with 6 millions Jews in the count, and you want to claim this was fulfilled historically prior to 1940 and World War II
More rubber rulers Gary, trying to put glue on the torn patchwork of Historicism in Preterism, toooo many isms my friend
In Love!
Jesus Christ Is Lord!