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Originally Posted by Avinu
My two cents worth, one thing that everyone has to realize it that whoever the anti-christ is going to be, He's gotta be someone that the orthodox jews and the muslims/arabs will both accept. Wrap your mind around that one. He has to be someone that will bring peace between Israel and the rest of the world. Some say he'll be the 12th Imam, some say he'll be jewish decent, some even say he'll be mietreya(probably spelled that wrong) This man(I too believe it'll be a man) has to have some kind of answer that is going to stop everyone in their tracks. He is going to be so cunning and mesmerizing to those that are lost, that both jew and arab and whoever else is going to agree together in him. Shalom
...fulfilled.
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Originally Posted by Avinu
My two cents worth, one thing that everyone has to realize it that whoever the anti-christ is going to be, He's gotta be someone that the orthodox jews and the muslims/arabs will both accept. Wrap your mind around that one. He has to be someone that will bring peace between Israel and the rest of the world. Some say he'll be the 12th Imam, some say he'll be jewish decent, some even say he'll be mietreya(probably spelled that wrong) This man(I too believe it'll be a man) has to have some kind of answer that is going to stop everyone in their tracks. He is going to be so cunning and mesmerizing to those that are lost, that both jew and arab and whoever else is going to agree together in him. Shalom
...fulfilled.
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hi moshe.
only problem with that is the great city is called Mystery Babylon.
so you have confirmed that she is jerusalem.
look this over:
http://shalach.org/Angels/BabylonTheGreat.htm
you can't just stick "vatican" in there - its adding to what is is written.
i showed you the word "nations" refers to non-jewish gentiles. that means only one thing: if you apply Great Babylon to Rome, you mean to say Rome is Jewish, not gentile.
also, how come you axed the following which establishes explicitly that the city is jerusalem?
there's a very good reason john added: "where also their Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
i ask again: WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED IN ROME OR YONKERS OR IRAQ?
or was it Jerusalem?
only problem with that is the great city is called Mystery Babylon.
so you have confirmed that she is jerusalem.
look this over:
http://shalach.org/Angels/BabylonTheGreat.htm
you can't just stick "vatican" in there - its adding to what is is written.
i showed you the word "nations" refers to non-jewish gentiles. that means only one thing: if you apply Great Babylon to Rome, you mean to say Rome is Jewish, not gentile.
also, how come you axed the following which establishes explicitly that the city is jerusalem?
there's a very good reason john added: "where also their Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
i ask again: WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED IN ROME OR YONKERS OR IRAQ?
or was it Jerusalem?
be careful about adding things in parentheses to the text moshe.
a lot went on the dark ages: more than just rome's gruesome crimes. and that's where the answers really lie to how these "three great abrahamic faiths" came to look like what they are today - none of the "visible" forms (the organized/political arms) of them are legitimately representative of anything to do with Abraham.
seriously, who would put up with the pope suddenly turning on christians in a murderous rampage? who would do his killing? the killing machines for each religion are run from a hidden source. the little people get duped into fighting and many believe they are doing God's will: but the hidden hand is operating all 3.
i am aware that ratzinger is former nazi, and still holds the office of the grand inquisitor. and i am aware of all the paganism mixed in. but you gotta look at who is running the show at the highest levels of judaism and islam also (all mystery initiates, all "brothers")
a lot went on the dark ages: more than just rome's gruesome crimes. and that's where the answers really lie to how these "three great abrahamic faiths" came to look like what they are today - none of the "visible" forms (the organized/political arms) of them are legitimately representative of anything to do with Abraham.
seriously, who would put up with the pope suddenly turning on christians in a murderous rampage? who would do his killing? the killing machines for each religion are run from a hidden source. the little people get duped into fighting and many believe they are doing God's will: but the hidden hand is operating all 3.
i am aware that ratzinger is former nazi, and still holds the office of the grand inquisitor. and i am aware of all the paganism mixed in. but you gotta look at who is running the show at the highest levels of judaism and islam also (all mystery initiates, all "brothers")
S
What everyone always seems to be forgetting is that the BEAST FROM THE SEA is the same beast that comes out of the bottomless pit. This beast is called APOLLYON and is king over the locusts.
THE BEAST FROM THE EARTH is the man who's number is 666.
THE WOMAN THAT RIDES THE BEAST with 7 heads is riding APOLLYON!
Has anyone here figured out yet who Apollyon is and why he is called the beast who 'was and is not, and yet is'?
What is the bottomless pit? Why does he arise out of it and how?
Why is the woman riding Apollyon?
NO one here has mentioned him and who he is, yet there are all thse assumptions about the A/C being revealed? No wonder there is all this confusion.
THE BEAST FROM THE EARTH is the man who's number is 666.
THE WOMAN THAT RIDES THE BEAST with 7 heads is riding APOLLYON!
Has anyone here figured out yet who Apollyon is and why he is called the beast who 'was and is not, and yet is'?
What is the bottomless pit? Why does he arise out of it and how?
Why is the woman riding Apollyon?
NO one here has mentioned him and who he is, yet there are all thse assumptions about the A/C being revealed? No wonder there is all this confusion.
A
silverwind why do you think the beast from the sea is apollyon? it is the same beast that the Whore rides but I don't see the tie to Apollyon. I looked and could only find these verses:
Revelation 9:10-12 (New King James Version)
10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
12 One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.
i always thought the angel from the bottomless pit would be Lucifer/Satan who is the dragon of Old. Sheol is another name for the bottomless pit of Hell.
Isaiah 14:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.’
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 9:10-12 (New King James Version)
10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
12 One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.
i always thought the angel from the bottomless pit would be Lucifer/Satan who is the dragon of Old. Sheol is another name for the bottomless pit of Hell.
Isaiah 14:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.’
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
S
I will post the verses that link to Apollyon:
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. (Rev. 11 v 7) (the 2 witnesses killed by him)
(Rev. 9 v11) And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
(Rev. 17 v 7) But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
You think the beast in Rev. 17 and 11 is not the same beast as Rev. 9:11?
Look up the name Appolyon (also called the Destroyer) and tell me what you find.
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. (Rev. 11 v 7) (the 2 witnesses killed by him)
(Rev. 9 v11) And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
(Rev. 17 v 7) But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
You think the beast in Rev. 17 and 11 is not the same beast as Rev. 9:11?
Look up the name Appolyon (also called the Destroyer) and tell me what you find.
M
hey zone, that site is seriously floored.
These are why that great city is not Jerusalem:
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
These are the colors of the roman catholic church.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Not including the New Jerusalem, when has Jerusalem EVER reinged over the kings of the Earth?
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
On the contrary The End Times is a time for gathering, not leaving. Jeremiah 32:37 I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
When has Jerusalem ever called herself a Queen?
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
The World will never mourn Jerusalem and when or how will Jerusalem made ships rich?
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
The Apostles were all killed By Rome same for the Two Witnesses.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Jerusalem found no more? Where are we going for the Millennium?
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
So forget all these in Jerusalem?
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
When has Jerusalem killed people from ALL nations?
Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
If Jerusalem's smoke rises forever and ever The Millennium is looking murky.
A
no I think Rev 9 refers to the dragon who gives the beast his power and throne.
Revelation 13
The Beast from the Sea
1 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
Revelation 13
The Beast from the Sea
1 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
she killed all the prophets, is responsible for the blood of the saints, and will be held to account for all the innocent blood shed upon the earth - Jesus told the Pharisees:
That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias
TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU TODAY! HOW MANY SLAUGHTERED SO FAR TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE TALMUD?
A BILLION MORE TO GO.
THAT TALMUD IS A PURELY SATANIC BOOK BASED ON A PURELY SATANIC RELIGION WHICH FOUND ITS BIRTH IN BABYLON.
That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias
TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU TODAY! HOW MANY SLAUGHTERED SO FAR TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE TALMUD?
A BILLION MORE TO GO.
THAT TALMUD IS A PURELY SATANIC BOOK BASED ON A PURELY SATANIC RELIGION WHICH FOUND ITS BIRTH IN BABYLON.
S
oh, you're missknowitall, i know
so now we have 2 7-headed dragons? i guess there are twins then
the 7-headed dragon (also known as beast) is the beast out of the sea, also named apollyon, the beast from the bottomless pit. there is only one beast that comes out of the sea.... this is the one, and he doesn't have siblings.
A
oh, you're missknowitall, i know
so now we have 2 7-headed dragons? i guess there are twins then
the 7-headed dragon (also known as beast) is the beast out of the sea, also named apollyon, the beast from the bottomless pit. there is only one beast that comes out of the sea.... this is the one, and he doesn't have siblings.
so now we have 2 7-headed dragons? i guess there are twins then
the 7-headed dragon (also known as beast) is the beast out of the sea, also named apollyon, the beast from the bottomless pit. there is only one beast that comes out of the sea.... this is the one, and he doesn't have siblings.
never claimed to know it all, just offering a different view on things.
S
oh, you're missknowitall, i know
so now we have 2 7-headed dragons? i guess there are twins then
the 7-headed dragon (also known as beast) is the beast out of the sea, also named apollyon, the beast from the bottomless pit. there is only one beast that comes out of the sea.... this is the one, and he doesn't have siblings.
so now we have 2 7-headed dragons? i guess there are twins then
the 7-headed dragon (also known as beast) is the beast out of the sea, also named apollyon, the beast from the bottomless pit. there is only one beast that comes out of the sea.... this is the one, and he doesn't have siblings.
and yes i can believe what i want, everyone in here seems to do likewise.
I have read a book called apollyonrising2012... highly recommend EVERYONE read it, because it's a real huge eye opener as to who is "in bed with" Apollyon...
but I have mentioned the book before and my suggestion gets ignored because like i said 'everyone believes what they want'...
does john switch from talking about Jerusalem in 11:8 to then describing Rome or some other great city?
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Revelation 14:8
A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."
Revelation 14:20
They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
Revelation 16:19
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Revelation 18:2
With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
Revelation 18:10
Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Revelation 14:8
A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."
Revelation 14:20
They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
Revelation 16:19
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Revelation 18:2
With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
Revelation 18:10
Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'