FreeGrace2 said:
I thought all believers knew. When Jesus died, He didn't go to heaven. He went to Hades and preached to the spirits in prison.
I thought all believers knew. When Jesus died, He didn't go to heaven. He went to Hades and preached to the spirits in prison.
I was talking (in that post you're referencing ^ ) about AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD (BODILY), and AFTER HE SPOKE with MM. (What He did THEN!)
I was not referring to whatever He did after He DIED (as you seem to *think* I was speaking of, and how you ANSWERED). I wasn't!
So let's back-track (since you're still on about it)... and look at what I ACTUALLY stated in that original post (b/f we started getting sidetracked about "what happened in those three days His body was in the GRAVE").
I was saying something about the time-slot AFTER HE ROSE AGAIN and STOOD ON THE GROUND and SPOKE TO MM... (i.e. THAT day), John 17:20
(not the 'three days and nights' that He wasn't talking to anyone or seen by anyone ON THE EARTH. I'm NOT SPEAKING on that time-frame, but instead was speaking of "AFTER HIS BODILY RESURRECTION"... Read again my post with THAT IN MIND, coz that's what I was referring to, not the time BETWEEN His death and resurrection... My point had NOTHING TO DO with that, as you SUPPOSED was my point!)
Since you have rejected the clear truth of Rev 20, there is no point in explaining any Scripture to you. Your mind has been made up and you don't want the facts.
I've continually stated:
--Rev20:4a = Daniel 7:22 about (at the very least) "STILL-LIVING" saints (at the time of His Second Coming to the earth) who will be seen in connection with "thrones" / "and judgment was given unto them / unto the saints of the most High" (<--not all of THESE necessarily had to have been previously DEAD [as now , at this point, 'RESURRECTED'], but I believe INCLUDE the "STILL-LIVING" saints such as Dan12:12 speaks of "BLESSED is the one waiting AND COMING TO the 1335 days"--corresponding to the 8-10 other "BLESSED" passages that speak of "STILL-LIVING saints" at the time of His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19] who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing/bearing children (ex. Matt24:36-42 [as the days of Noah were] = Gen9:1 = Dan2:35 "FILL [/FILLED] the [whole] earth")... NOT *every* saint will be needed to be "resurrected FROM THE DEAD" because some will be "still-living" at that point in time (I believe 20:4a INCLUDES these);
--Rev20:4b = those "saints" who will have DIED [ / been martyred / beheaded] during a very specific, limited (yet-future-to-us) time frame (i.e. 2nd half of the 7 yr trib, the "42 mos" being referenced in Rev13:5-9,1)
--"BLESSED and holy is the one HAVING A PART IN the resurrection, the first" ('resurrection OF LIFE'<--Jesus SAID "I AM the RESURRECTION, and the LIFE")... These two verses are pretty much saying that every saint "resurrected" will have been resurrected BY THIS POINT IN TIME (His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age [all having been resurrected IN TIME for it, to ENJOY it, UNLIKE "the UNsaved" / "the REST of the dead" / and those just having been "SLAIN" 19:21 (<--parallel the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22(23)]). I do NOT believe the text is saying "all saints of all times" are resurrected "at this point in time" (the 2W will have already been, at the "6th Trumpet / 2nd Woe" point in time!)
--1Th4:17 isn't supplying ANY "TIMING" as to WHEN "our Rapture" will occur (in and of itself--that verse alone), I've NOT said it DOES (what I *have* said is that Paul refers to what we call "rapture" some 8-10 times in his two Thess epistles); but 1Cor15:51-54, in THAT PASSAGE (speaking of the SAME "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" / US / and NO OTHER saints of ANY OTHER time periods) says, "THIS corruptible" ('the DEAD IN Christ' specifically ) and "THIS mortal" (the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto" part, specifically, of SAME) is telling how "death will be swallowed up in victory" for US... THIS is NOT speaking of when "the last enemy (death) will be destroyed" [ultimately] regarding all ppl of all times at the GWTj point in time (NO!... AGREE??)... but when this thing will apply to US / 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY' (not even to "all saints of all OTHER time periods" because that is not the subjects PAUL is covering here)
--"first" doesn't mean (always) "first IN TIME" (rather... 'resurrection OF LIFE' [1 quality], as opposed to 'resurrection OF JUDGMENT / DAMNATION' [another, different quality])