Was Justice Served For George Floyd?

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Roughsoul1991

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I believe the officer should have been convicted of negligence and manslaughter but the prosecutors didn't prove it was racially motivated, nor did they prove he intended to kill, nor did they prove the officer intended to harm others. I believe manslaughter in the second degree could easily be proven. Remember the jury must prove beyond the reason of doubt which is a very high bar to prove.

With politicians promoting riots, BLM riots, threats, and the President's support, I believe we saw the image of mob justice.

This has been promoted to prove systemic racism and this has not been proven.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/20/derek-chauvin-trial-verdict.html

Minnesota's third-degree murder statute reads: "Whoever, without intent…causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…"

Second-degree murder is an intentional killing

Minnesota Statutes 609.205 – Manslaughter in the Second Degree

(1) by the person’s culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

Not a good day for law and order or the nation. The liberal call wasn't to cheer the system but cheer the means that they brought justice. The means of mob rule. They see the system as needing to be torn down and if we play along, soon this behavior will be against the Christian in court for holding to the beliefs of God.

(I do not defend the officer who had many offenses or Floyd who was a criminal and on drugs. )
 
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SophieT

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Murder should not have been on the docket to begin with.

(I do not defend the officer who had many offenses or Floyd who was a criminal and on drugs. )
agree
 
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SophieT

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Back to your question though...

Was justice served? You can never replace someone's life and it seems Floyd was already 'lost'...not a hardened criminal. I guess the 'crowd' got what they wanted. I am sure they would go for the death penalty if they could.

About the 27,000,000 Floyd's family received BEFORE the trial. My personal opinion is that is a travesty right there. You can't put a price on a person's life, and flinging huge sums of money like that ?
 

Reformed1689

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It was show theater. The trial was conducted the way it was because people are afraid black folks will burn the country down like they did last summer. It's a bit of a Pontius Pilate moment really. That being said police aren't friends of Christians either. Police will be the ones to lock you up for going to church during Covid-19. If you live in the west, especially America, you already live in Babylon.
 

Dude653

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I think the jury made the right call here.
I can't think of any reason it's necessary to kneel on someone's neck for 8 minutes after he's already prone an handcuffed. Also Derek Chauvin already had multiple complaints against him for unnecessary violence
 

Billyd

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The nine minute recording of Chauvin's knee on George Floyd's neck erased any doubt of his guilt. During the entire period, Chauvin made no attempt to release or even ease the pressure. He was properly convicted.

I believe that he would have been convicted without all the demonstrations and violence around the case.
 

GiveThanks

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When George said I cant breathe, Chauvin should have got off his neck. What do you or Chauvin think would happen when you stop someone's breath? Is that how the officers are trained to restrain someone?

He should have plead guilty, and accept responsibilty. Where is the remorse? Why was he trying to transfer his assets to his ex wife?

He should have taken the stand and explain to the public what happened and how he didnt intend to kill Floyd. Why didnt he?
 

Lanolin

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guilty

I think there comes a point when people say enough is enough.
Race riots in america have been happening for years and years.

back in the 30s because some white folk were snobby, and didnt want to work on the same line with black folk at the Packard cars in detroit, the entire city was thrown in to disarray. People died because of this?!

Its like the dr suess sneetches story all the time. Ridiculous.
 

JesusWhereRU

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I believe the officer should have been convicted of negligence and manslaughter but the prosecutors didn't prove it was racially motivated, nor did they prove he intended to kill, nor did they prove the officer intended to harm others. I believe manslaughter in the second degree could easily be proven. Remember the jury must prove gs. )
I heard he was convicted of 2nd degree, 3rd degree murder AND manslaughter. How the heck can he get all three of those charges? one person?????

confused..
 

Billyd

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I heard he was convicted of 2nd degree, 3rd degree murder AND manslaughter. How the heck can he get all three of those charges? one person?????

confused..
I think it's how Minn law is written. It does seem strange though.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I heard he was convicted of 2nd degree, 3rd-degree murder AND manslaughter. How the heck can he get all three of those charges? one person?????

confused.
America (the formerly greatest country in the world.)
 

Roughsoul1991

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I heard he was convicted of 2nd degree, 3rd degree murder AND manslaughter. How the heck can he get all three of those charges? one person?????

confused..
Your confused because it was unlawful. Minnesota law defines these as in the OP. By definition 2 of the charges definitely was not proven in the evidence. Neither was the idea of a racist motive. But I feel they felt the pressure of the mob, politicians, and the president.
 

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George Floyd was killed while in commission of a crime. Not saying the officer acted correctly because he did not but Floyd was a career criminal so I really didn't mourn his passing. Justice was served at the time of his death.
 

Reformed1689

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When George said I cant breathe, Chauvin should have got off his neck. What do you or Chauvin think would happen when you stop someone's breath? Is that how the officers are trained to restrain someone?

He should have plead guilty, and accept responsibilty. Where is the remorse? Why was he trying to transfer his assets to his ex wife?

He should have taken the stand and explain to the public what happened and how he didnt intend to kill Floyd. Why didnt he?
If he sincerely believed he was innocent of the charges, why would he admit to being guilty?

What's wrong with transferring assets? Firstly, in a divorce it is common for assets to be divided between partners. Secondly, a legal divorce may have been wise even if they didn't intend on ending the relationship simply because the law could have punished her for simply being married to him via civil forfeiture or lawsuits from the family. If I was in a similar situation as Derek I would transfer assets to my spouse or ex spouse to ensure that she is taken care of because as a husband that's your duty. Sadly though concepts like duty and obligation to spouses is nearly a dead concept in "contemporary" christianity these days.
 

Roughsoul1991

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When George said I cant breathe, Chauvin should have got off his neck. What do you or Chauvin think would happen when you stop someone's breath? Is that how the officers are trained to restrain someone?

He should have plead guilty, and accept responsibilty. Where is the remorse? Why was he trying to transfer his assets to his ex wife?

He should have taken the stand and explain to the public what happened and how he didnt intend to kill Floyd. Why didnt he?
Technically he was complaining about not being able to breathe before anyone touched him. But continued to resist arrest. His autopsy showed a lethal dose of fentanyl which impacts breathing. Two contradicting autopsies. Did officer Chauvin act in neglect and should be charged with manslaughter? I believe so. Was it his intention to kill him? To prove this, you must have evidence showing he wanted to kill Floyd. To know that, you must know his thoughts. Good luck proving that in less you have a voice recording or something premeditated.

Was the jury influenced by the rioting, politicians, media, and the president? Likely but this also must be proved.

It seems to be that way due to two charges that are defined under Minnesota state law do not fit the evidence.

If this has become a new reality then we are entering into a new judicial system operated by mob rule, opinions, feelings, and no longer facts.

Just as the trial was taking place we had two more shootings that the media pushed to fit the narrative that America is systemically racist. Each case was a justified shooting under the law. One was to prevent a girl from being stabbed and the other was a kid gang member who was shooting at cars at night, at 2:00 in the morning. He ran and decided to turn to face the police as he was dropping the gun in the dark.

Emotion and feelings now defeat facts.

We cry for the criminal while wishing death on the police. Sad times in America.
 

Nehemiah6

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They see the system as needing to be torn down and if we play along, soon this behavior will be against the Christian in court for holding to the beliefs of God.
You are absolutely correct, and the tearing down started with Obama. But it reached critical mass in early 2020, at which time the Insurrection Act should have been invoked and all domestic terrorists should have been arrested. This was President's Trump failure, after his failure to appoint the right Pandemic Task Force, and actually put all the conspirators in charge so that everything could be destroyed.

Therefore two major attacks against the democratic republic of America were taking place at the same time. When statues were being torn done and nothing was being done, that meant that things would only go from bad to worse. So now mob rule prevails, and the rule of law is history. So unless there is a military coup to remove Biden and restore law and order, the USA will become a Soviet-style Socialist Republic where anarchy prevails. The generals in France have already warned the politicians that if they allow Critical Race Theory to prevail, the military will take control. And that should have happened in America right after the election fraud on November 3.
 

Dude653

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I heard he was convicted of 2nd degree, 3rd degree murder AND manslaughter. How the heck can he get all three of those charges? one person?????

confused..
He will only serve time for the most severe crime which is second degree murder
You can't punish someone three times for the same crime.
 

Dude653

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When five police officers can't apprehend one guy without killing him, this is an indictment to just how poorly trained police officers in America are