St. John Chrysostom's Easter Sermon

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Also, his homilies were not heard by the Jews. This was something for those 'inside the house to hear', not for the Jews.

It's like a parent who teaches his kids that homosexuals are demon possessed, but this teaching is supposed to stay in the house. It's more like a warning for his children, not hate speech against homosexuals.
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So you have read his Homilies against the Jews and don't think his words would have caused hatred of the Jewish people?
 
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kaylagrl said:
His sermons were hate filled, there is no way around it, no way to defend his words. He believed the Church replaced the Jewish people. That is a false theology.
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Yes, that's exactly what we believe. That we are the new Israel.
 
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So you have read his Homilies against the Jews and don't think his words would have caused hatred of the Jewish people?
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I believe his homilies reached their purpose, which was: to stop Christians keeping the Jewish Festivals and stay away from the Jews.

I consider hatred towards Jews what has been done during the Spanish Inquisition, by the Catholic Church: when Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism and burned alive.
I gave this example to emphasize that St. John Chrysostom let them alone. He barked, but he did not bite. And he didn't even barked at them!
 
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I believe his homilies reached their purpose, which was: to stop Christians keeping the Jewish Festivals and stay away from the Jews.

I consider hatred towards Jews what has been done during the Spanish Inquisition, by the Catholic Church: when Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism and burned alive.
I gave this example to emphasize that St. John Chrysostom let them alone. He barked, but he did not bite. And he didn't even barked at them!
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Yes, he more than barked at them, he spread lies about them. Instead of saying "pray that they may come to know Christ" he said horrible and untrue things about them that is still said falsely about the Jewish people to this day.
 
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kaylagrl said:
That may be what you believe, but that's not what the Bible teaches.
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I can believe what I want, I can believe the Jews are wrong and I am right (in my faith).
Jews can believe they are right and I am wrong. And we go separate ways.
 
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I can believe what I want, I can believe the Jews are wrong and I am right (in my faith).
Jews can believe they are right and I am wrong. And we go separate ways.
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Ok, so you wish to continue to argue the point. No, you cannot believe what you want, you do what the Word says. Secondly, I didn't say the Jewish people were right, I said we didn't replace them, because that's what the Bible teaches. Romans 11, the Jews have been blinded for a time. Just because they are blinded doesn't mean we hate them or spread lies about them. You pray for them and have the same concern as anyone else who doesn't yet know the Lord.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Ok, so you wish to continue to argue the point. No, you cannot believe what you want, you do what the Word says.
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Than let me rephrase: I understand the Word differently than you. Like it or not.

kaylagrl said:
Secondly, I didn't say the Jewish people were right, I said we didn't replace them, because that's what the Bible teaches. Romans 11, the Jews have been blinded for a time. Just because they are blinded doesn't mean we hate them or spread lies about them. You pray for them and have the same concern as anyone else who doesn't yet know the Lord.
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I believe we are now the New Israel and that whoever believes in Jesus Christ enters in the New Covenant. Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ. If Jews accept Jesus Christ as Messiah and as God, than they too can be part of Christ' body.
 
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Than let me rephrase: I understand the Word differently than you. Like it or not.
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Then you understand it incorrectly, I hope you'll learn the fallacy of Replacement Theology, which is heresy. Both the Catholic and Protestant church apologized for this belief and recanted. Yet people today still fall for it. smh



Simona1988 said:
I believe we are now the New Israel and that whoever believes in Jesus Christ enters in the New Covenant. Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ. If Jews accept Jesus Christ as Messiah and as God, than they too can be part of Christ' body.
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No, read Romans 11, the Bible doesn't say we replace the Jews. As I said, they are blinded for a time.
 
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Simona1988 said:
I believe his homilies reached their purpose, which was: to stop Christians keeping the Jewish Festivals and stay away from the Jews.

I consider hatred towards Jews what has been done during the Spanish Inquisition, by the Catholic Church: when Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism and burned alive.
I gave this example to emphasize that St. John Chrysostom let them alone. He barked, but he did not bite. And he didn't even barked at them!
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He was clearly anti-Semitic, if you read his Homilies you'll realize that.
 
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Then you understand it incorrectly, I hope you'll learn the fallacy of Replacement Theology, which is heresy. Both the Catholic and Protestant church apologized for this belief and recanted. Yet people today still fall for it. smh
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I am a grown up and take responsibility for what I believe. You believe it's incorrect and I couldn't care less about your opinion.


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No, read Romans 11, the Bible doesn't say we replace the Jews. As I said, they are blinded for a time.
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Dear kayla, let's leave it here, al right? I already understood your position and I don't even try to change it. In fact, YOU came here to "not derail my thread", and end up high jacking it one comment after another.

I believe Christians are the New Israel (except for you, because you hold a different view) and nothing is going to change my view, not you, not your cherry-picked bible verses, not your accusations that the theology I hold onto is false, NOTHING. Do you understand?
 
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Simona1988 said:
St. John Chrysostom had no relation with the Jews, didn't even engaged with them, let alone harm them.

He took attitude against them in a certain context and that context was the following: his flock started to participate in Jewish festivals, keep the Sabbath; this tendency of Christians to want to imitate the Jews in their religiosity is nothing new under the sun. It started with the Galatians and continues until our days (they are called Judaizers).
He asks Christians to stop this nonsense (keeping Jewish festivals) and the relations with the Jews, and the way He does it is very radical, unpleasant and considered 'hateful speech' by postmodernists.

He believes fellowship with Jews could jeopardies the salvation of the Christians. Is a Christian man entitled to believe that? Is that hatred?
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What could be wrong about celebrating the Jewish festivals? All of them are about Jesus and can teach us many things.
Forcing people to celebrate them would be wrong but participating in them freely is a good thing.


Whatever that teacher believes,
Paul warned that arrogance toward the natural branches could cause the grafted branches (that's us) to be cut off.
We do not support the root. The root supports us.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
What could be wrong about celebrating the Jewish festivals? All of them are about Jesus and can teach us many things.
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Jews don't believe their Jewish Festivals are about Jesus...
 
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Simona1988 said:
I am a grown up and take responsibility for what I believe. You believe it's incorrect and I couldn't care less about your opinion.




Dear kayla, let's leave it here, al right? I already understood your position and I don't even try to change it. In fact, YOU came here to "not derail my thread", and end up high jacking it one comment after another.

I believe Christians are the New Israel (except for you, because you hold a different view) and nothing is going to change my view, not you, not your cherry-picked bible verses, not your accusations that the theology I hold onto is false, NOTHING. Do you understand?
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It's no my opinion. Nor am I high jacking anything. I'm answering your posts. And you can hold to whatever you believe, it's a false theology. And I speak on it every time I see it. While I may not change the mind of the person who believes the false theology, I may change someone else's mind who is reading these posts. What I don't understand is why people become so angry on this particular subject. You made sure you emphasized "nothing" would change your mind. And I have to wonder why this is such a touchy subject for people. Check your heart and make sure your spirit is right.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
What could be wrong about celebrating the Jewish festivals? All of them are about Jesus and can teach us many things.
Forcing people to celebrate them would be wrong but participating in them freely is a good thing.


Whatever that teacher believes,
Paul warned that arrogance toward the natural branches could cause the grafted branches (that's us) to be cut off.
We do not support the root. The root supports us.
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It was far more than that. He had a hatred for the Jewish people. If you read his sermons it was clear. BTW Jesus celebrated the Jewish festivals ;) Do you think people realize that?
 
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Simona1988 said:
You don't say! It's irrelevant to participate in Jewish Festivals knowing that, not only they don't celebrate Jesus Christ, but consider Him a deceiver?

Please!
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The festivals DO celebrate Jesus.
Jesus is Jewish and his coming Kingdom will not be stripped of it's Jewish culture.
You'll have to learn to accept that.
 
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kaylagrl said:
It was far more than that. He had a hatred for the Jewish people. If you read his sermons it was clear. BTW Jesus celebrated the Jewish festivals ;) Do you think people realize that?
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Thank you Kayla,
I've never heard of the man before today.
 
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