Never be political, stay away from POLITICS, and NATIONALISM

[Jordan]

The greatest sin IMO of the church system is that they want power over their congregations. They want it for themselves, so they convince their flocks that 'God' favors their local nationalistic government or leader. The church and state join together and it gives false security to the mislead flocks.



They say they believe in democracy where the majority either gather together to get conned by party leaders, and their superiors who control both and all parties. Like most church systems the aim is to elevate their mislead flocks to increase their self esteem of superiority over others. And it works in most cases, and then they are fleeced and lead away from JESUS.

How sad.

Stay away from nationalistic pride, the worship of riches and things, and politics and poliicians who promise you blessings for your so called votes

 

[Runningman]

The greatest sin IMO of the church system is that they want power over their congregations. They want it for themselves, so they convince their flocks that 'God' favors their local nationalistic government or leader. The church and state join together and it gives false security to the mislead flocks.



They say they believe in democracy where the majority either gather together to get conned by party leaders, and their superiors who control both and all parties. Like most church systems the aim is to elevate their mislead flocks to increase their self esteem of superiority over others. And it works in most cases, and then they are fleeced and lead away from JESUS.

How sad.

Stay away from nationalistic pride, the worship of riches and things, and politics and poliicians who promise you blessings for your so called votes

As Christians we're in the world, but not supposed to be of the world. Ministers and preachers are not above being influenced by the world.

Some seminary schools have an agenda to indoctrinate students with the long-view that one day these students will go on to preach at a congregation. Any sort of platform that has the ability to influence public opinion, even church, can be abused.

That's why we see a lot of democrat lberalism, prosperity gospel, less word if God, and more motivational speech material in sermons.

We really need to be aware of what the message is in the congregation we attend. It really does matter. Sometimes we may need to be more vigilant and aware than the elders themselves and protect them from the subtle influences of the world.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Yeah, like how various WoF/NAR/ARC/DNT, etc. type preachers & teachers keep insisting that God told them that Trump should still be in the White House.

Whether one believes that Biden got in there by hook or crook (or not), those teachers are NOT to be listened to.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The greatest sin IMO of the church system is that they want power over their congregations. They want it for themselves, so they convince their flocks that 'God' favors their local nationalistic government or leader. The church and state join together and it gives false security to the mislead flocks.



They say they believe in democracy where the majority either gather together to get conned by party leaders, and their superiors who control both and all parties. Like most church systems the aim is to elevate their mislead flocks to increase their self esteem of superiority over others. And it works in most cases, and then they are fleeced and lead away from JESUS.

How sad.

Stay away from nationalistic pride, the worship of riches and things, and politics and poliicians who promise you blessings for your so called votes

Sorry but I will not stat away from politics or nationalism. I agree though that many denominations have gone corrupt at the top.

 

[Mem]

Not sure how anyone can separate politics from deeply held moral convictions but

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

That's what you think the biggest sin of the church is?

I agree with the extent that our hope is not in these things, and that they fall below our loyalty to God. Love your neighbor is still a command.

However this is by far not the worst sin of the church. Ignoring far prophets and teachers, and allowing them to prosper is among the top. Failure to teach sound doctrine is another, using clever devised plans to by human means supplement the Gospel is way up top. The kind of rubbish Finney taught ,clever devised means to supplement the Gospel. Vomitrocious.

 

[Jordan]

As Christians we're in the world, but not supposed to be of the world. Ministers and preachers are not above being influenced by the world.

Some seminary schools have an agenda to indoctrinate students with the long-view that one day these students will go on to preach at a congregation. Any sort of platform that has the ability to influence public opinion, even church, can be abused.

That's why we see a lot of democrat lberalism, prosperity gospel, less word if God, and more motivational speech material in sermons.

We really need to be aware of what the message is in the congregation we attend. It really does matter. Sometimes we may need to be more vigilant and aware than the elders themselves and protect them from the subtle influences of the world.

They are in bed with the world and therefore preach whatever comfortable doctrine is allowable, to promote nationalism and themselves. Forget Democrats and Republicans they are BOTH the same and run by the elite. The NWO is not Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives versus Liberals. thats all a con.

Elections are a con, prophecy is not. The Lord allows the perfidity as all are in the plot and PLAN TOGETHER.

Know prophecy and forget thinking this man or that woman is going to save you, your country, or your wealth ...RESET

Most churches are there to tickle your ears and increase the flocks self esteem or superiority over others who are supposedly less blessed. No country is righteous, no not one.

Hope that isnt too strong and clear for you Running Man.

 

[Jordan]

That's what you think the biggest sin of the church is?

I agree with the extent that our hope is not in these things, and that they fall below our loyalty to God. Love your neighbor is still a command.

However this is by far not the worst sin of the church. Ignoring far prophets and teachers, and allowing them to prosper is among the top. Failure to teach sound doctrine is another, using clever devised plans to by human means supplement the Gospel is way up top. The kind of rubbish Finney taught ,clever devised means to supplement the Gospel. Vomitrocious.

The church system is basically a cargo cult, that teaches blessings if you come to that particular church.

They teach their doctrine is the RIGHT doctrine of belief, but their practice of not witnessing and winning the lost, ist the same as the other churches in the area which teach a slightly different but the same, sit back and have the right external appearance and signs of blessings

 

[Jordan]

Not sure how anyone can separate politics from deeply held moral convictions but

Polityicians seldom have moraal convictions.

When fighting suicide being taught in the school systems HERE. No politician even the Bible thumpers would even make a comment, they brushed it aside, even when the belief that suicide was supposedly a sign of success, was written in black and white, and concluded in the death of teenagers.

And I am not talking about euthanasia...

Politicians, down to school boards are etc... are not there for the public, almost all are for self glorification and social prestige.

At the uppers levels it is even worst.

Politics is a game, and a con.

Jesus never said to be political, nationalism is a killer l;iterally

All political parties are controlled and are the same. The devil is not a Democrat or a Republican, hes BOTH

Yet church people think they are suppose to obey those that rule over them, whether church hierarchy or polltical parties.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

The church system is basically a cargo cult, that teaches blessings if you come to that particular church.

They teach their doctrine is the RIGHT doctrine of belief, but their practice of not witnessing and winning the lost, ist the same as the other churches in the area which teach a slightly different but the same, sit back and have the right external appearance and signs of blessings

This is to an extent true. The vast majority of churches are seeker friendly.
My church is not. We are very traditional and our pastor is quite active in seeking out those who left during this covid scam, and then we will get back to evangelism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 22:21

They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”


It is God who puts leaders in place. Arguing against them is arguing against Gods choice.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I agree that we can invest no hope in gov-co or polies. We participate in that we do live here and love our neighbors and seek the best possible for us and them, and we have the ability to speak. However our citizenship is in the kingdom of God, we are foreigners here.

 

[Jordan]

Matthew 22:21

They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”


It is God who puts leaders in place. Arguing against them is arguing against Gods choice.

Pay your taxes, Yes
Pay with your lives, in wars NO
Take their jabs NO
Serve God FULL TIME YES

Ceasar does not own your lives

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pay your taxes, Yes
Pay with your lives, in wars NO
Take their jabs NO
Serve God FULL TIME YES

Ceasar does not own your lives

Then why pay Taxes?

 

[Jordan]

I agree that we can invest no hope in gov-co or polies. We participate in that we do live here and love our neighbors and seek the best possible for us and them, and we have the ability to speak. However our citizenship is in the kingdom of God, we are foreigners here.

Pst... there is censorship you know.

In this so called EMERGENCY, non elected so called experts rule and take over. No discussion allowed

The media is not the media of truth, when you understand that truth, then you might consider editing your above comment.

Dont be a dumb sheep, Jesus created your mind and potennial wisdom and discernment. Ask HIM, OBEY HIM

 

[Jordan]

Romans 13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

 

[Jordan]

Excellent quote from Paul in his time, as he made it for a while before they made him compromise, and captured him and killed all the other apostles. But the truth beyond politics went on.

Thanks for the excuse verse... much appreciated. This keeps the church flocks in obedience and control.

Strange Daniel and Jesus didnt say that......

If you follow the Lord, you will sufer persecution from governments

If you want part time play time service, you can be comfortable except in the presense of the Lord for not obeying. Choose.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Pst... there is censorship you know.

In this so called EMERGENCY, non elected so called experts rule and take over. No discussion allowed

The media is not the media of truth, when you understand that truth, then you might consider editing your above comment.

Dont be a dumb sheep, Jesus created your mind and potennial wisdom and discernment. Ask HIM, OBEY HIM

We maybe miscommunicating here. I agree with you. I don't trust media and do know that everything blasted out is propaganda, that three companies own all the media outlets including movies and tv shows, and music and radio and are in bed with the major social media out let's and control the narrative. However you and I are discussing right now unabated, and there are other means as well. I have been a "separatist" for a long time.
While I am a separatist I am not an isolationist for the sake of my neighbor. To love our neighbors we must work toward their good, in the gospel and in their lives, and yes politically where possible; as repulsive as that is.

 

[Jordan]

Well said.

Im a newbie HERE and surely can misread some previous posts. Great summation