The Father Of Roman Catholicism, Emperor Constatine The Great

[GodMyFortress]

Please stop misrepresenting what I have said. I have nowhere said you may not discuss your beliefs.

You have a problem with discernment.

I’m not trying to do that, if that’s the way you took it that was not my intention. But you said we can’t push our “Catholic heresies”, well I’m not exactly sure what that means.

 

[CS1]

There is a pinned thread about using the Report button. In it, it lists heresies that should be reported. If you don’t want Catholics talking about Catholic beliefs then it needs to be more clear. I’m not exactly sure why someone would have a problem with discussing differences between Catholics and Protestants.

If you are an RCC and we are willing to allow you to speak of the RCC and the truth of the RCC church being the first organized Christian historically why are you opposed to addressing the errors they have made historically and today? I have those who ADDRESS WHAT THEY BELEIVE IS is wrong or unbiblical on every church denomination in this setting why are you and the RCC any different?

 

[CS1]

As a Catholic, I’m appreciative of Mary and believe she was a wonderful person and Christian. However, she pails in comparison to our God Jesus Christ.

Do you pray to her? And do you teach others to do so?

 

[GodMyFortress]

814 From the beginning, this one Church has been marked by a great diversity which comes from both the variety of God's gifts and the diversity of those who receive them. Within the unity of the People of God, a multiplicity of peoples and cultures is gathered together. Among the Church's members, there are different gifts, offices, conditions, and ways of life. "Holding a rightful place in the communion of the Church there are also particular Churches that retain their own traditions." The great richness of such diversity is not opposed to the Church's unity. Yet sin and the burden of its consequences constantly threaten the gift of unity. And so the Apostle has to exhort Christians to "maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

What is the correlation between ccc 814 with Muslim in the plan of salvation because adore the same God with catholic mankind's judge on the last day?

My brother, from what I read, catholic believe pope is Jesus representative on earth, Jesus is the King of king that rule the world so pope must represent Jesus rule the world, that is way catholic need support from the big religion like Muslim
CCTV 841 is nothing but manipulation or lie.

The difference you have with me is our different understandings about Peter, apostolic succession, the authority of the church, and a whole lot of other topics.

Our understanding of these things are derived from scripture, Protestants just interpret those things differently than we do.

 

[GodMyFortress]

If you are an RCC and we are willing to allow you to speak of the RCC and the truth of the RCC church being the first organized Christian historically why are you opposed to addressing the errors they have made historically and today? I have those who ADDRESS WHAT THEY BELEIVE IS is wrong or unbiblical on every church denomination in this setting why are you and the RCC any different?

If you want to talk about church history I would be happy to share what I know and believe with you.

With regards to the church, what matters to Catholics in one word is Dogma. Once a dogma is declared, the matter is settled for the Catholic. It can never be taken back or altered by the church. If it’s not a dogma, you are free to come to your own conclusions about other stuff.

All the other stuff I see Protestants preoccupy themselves with when studying Catholicism is just historical commentary for the most part and isn’t thought much about by the average Catholic.

 

[Jackson123]

I believe both. You don’t believe Jesus Christ is the God of all people, regardless of whether those people accept that truth?

I think you only want to show your disagreement with your official doctrine.
I believe Jesus god of all human.

But your doctrine say Muslim ador/worship mankind's judge on the last day. It is lie.

If you say Jackson believe Jesus is God of all human, it is correct, that what I believe.

But to say Muslim adore/worship mankind's judge on the last day (Jesus) is lie and manipulation. Because Muslim not worship Jesus as a God
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[Magenta]

As a Catholic, I’m appreciative of Mary and believe she was a wonderful person and Christian. However, she pails in comparison to our God Jesus Christ.

Pails? I believe you mean pales

Well, as a Catholic, it is mandatory for you to believe the ex cathedra dogmas (there are only two and both are about Mary). Neither of these dogmas have any basis in Scripture, being both fanciful additions and contradicting what is actually and explicitly written. "Appreciative of Mary" does not begin to address the many ways Catholicism elevates Mary, which is not something Jesus did at all.

 

[GodMyFortress]

Do you pray to her? And do you teach others to do so?

I’ve asked her to pray for me before, but I haven’t done that in a long time. Catholics aren’t required to do that, only if they want to. Almost always I pray to Jesus directly.

 

[Jackson123]

The difference you have with me is our different understandings about Peter, apostolic succession, the authority of the church, and a whole lot of other topics.

Our understanding of these things are derived from scripture, Protestants just interpret those things differently than we do.

My question is, what is the correlation between ccc 814 and Muslim in the plan of salvation because adore Jesus?

 

[GodMyFortress]

I think you only want to show your disagreement with your official doctrine.
I believe Jesus god of all human.

But your doctrine say Muslim ador/worship mankind's judge on the last day. It is lie.

If you say Jackson believe Jesus is God of all human, it is correct, that what I believe.

But to say Muslim adore/worship mankind's judge on the last day (Jesus) is lie and manipulation. Because Muslim not worship Jesus as a God
Y

It’s not a doctrine, it is a pastoral statement on how to dialogue with Muslims. Catholics aren’t bound to agree with it.

 

[Magenta]

I’m not trying to do that, if that’s the way you took it that was not my intention.
But you said we can’t push our “Catholic heresies”, well I’m not exactly sure what that means.

Are you completely unaware of the ways your beliefs diverge from protestant beliefs?

It would seem that at least some Catholics come here to push that envelope.

They are well aware of what protestants believe and where those beliefs do not align with theirs.

They are not happy leaving well enough alone. Nope! They come to stir the pot.

That behavior is not tolerated.

 

[CS1]

If you want to talk about church history I would be happy to share what I know and believe with you.

With regards to the church, what matters to Catholics in one word is Dogma. Once a dogma is declared, the matter is settled for the Catholic. It can never be taken back or altered by the church. If it’s not a dogma, you are free to come to your own conclusions about other stuff.

All the other stuff I see Protestants preoccupy themselves with when studying Catholicism is just historical commentary for the most part and isn’t thought much about by the average Catholic.

Well, you have a presumption about those you assume are "protestant" = non-catholic. many, many " protestants were very devoted RCC.

As was I. Now the RRC's principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true must be seen in the light of all the inspired word of God.

The RCC teaches TODAY: you can pay for the above one to get into heaven. They teach today praying to dead saints is biblical. the term dogma is really a somewhat politically correct deflection of clear bible error when speaking of the false teaching of the RCC or any other for that matter.

 

[GodMyFortress]

My question is, what is the correlation between ccc 814 and Muslim in the plan of salvation because adore Jesus?

Easy answer.
If you read the section on this topic in the documents on Vatican II, it try’s to point out that there are things Muslims believe that are true (such as there is one God, Jesus was born of a virgin, etc.). Further, the document asks that Christians behave like Christians when talking with Muslims (no hatred). By understanding what Muslims believe and behaving in a way Muslims will admire, we might be able to lead them to salvation if we can turn them towards Christianity.

 

[Jackson123]

I’ve asked her to pray for me before, but I haven’t done that in a long time. Catholics aren’t required to do that, only if they want to. Almost always I pray to Jesus directly.

Not require but permitted. My aunt was catholic. She not only ask Mary to pray for her, but she pray ask protection from Mary.

She believe Mary able to hear billion people pray to her, is she God?

 

[CS1]

I’ve asked her to pray for me before, but I haven’t done that in a long time. Catholics aren’t required to do that, only if they want to. Almost always I pray to Jesus directly.

No one is required to do anything but it is taught that you can whether one does it or not is irreverent. Those who sit under the leadership and teachers of the word are accountable for the full truth of God's word. Mary no more heard your request than Buda or joseph smith.

 

[GodMyFortress]

Are you completely unaware of the ways your beliefs diverge from protestant beliefs?

It would seem that at least some Catholics come here to push that envelope.

They are well aware of what protestants believe and where those beliefs do not align with theirs.

They are not happy leaving well enough alone. Nope! They come to stir the pot.

That behavior is not tolerated.

Of course I know the differences. But I’m not a mind reader, I can’t know if every given Protestant disagrees with any particular thing I believe. Protestantism isn’t exact a unified movement. Very wide range of beliefs.

 

[CS1]

Of course I know the differences. But I’m not a mind reader, I can’t know if every given Protestant disagrees with any particular thing I believe. Protestantism isn’t exact a unified movement. Very wide range of beliefs.

why does it have to be protestant that disagrees with the RCC many RRC's have looked at the same Bible I have and came to the conclusion praying to Mary is unBiblical why is a protestant thing when pointing out an unbiblical practice of the RCC? it is the very word of God that tells it.

 

[GodMyFortress]

Not require but permitted. My aunt was catholic. She not only ask Mary to pray for her, but she pray ask protection from Mary.

She believe Mary able to hear billion people pray to her, is she God?

Ha, we all know she isn’t God. I’ve listened to people (not Catholics) ask their dead parents to watch over them before. If you are correct that the saints in heaven can’t hear us, then you basically talked to yourself for awhile. No harm done in it. I personally believe they can but I just don’t do it very often.

 

[Jackson123]

It’s not a doctrine, it is a pastoral statement on how to dialogue with Muslims. Catholics aren’t bound to agree with it.

Who make that statement? Is the statement maker agree whit what he say?
You say it is not a doctrine, is that statement consistent with the doctrine?

Example
A. Doctrine Jesus is God only who that believe Jesus as a God save

B. Pastoral Muslim don't believe Jesus as a God but save anyway

 

[CS1]

Ha, we all know she isn’t God. I’ve listened to people (not Catholics) ask their dead parents to watch over them before. If you are correct that the saints in heaven can’t hear us, then you basically talked to yourself for awhile. No harm done in it. I personally believe they can but I just don’t do it very often.

the Problem is God said to come to HIM through HIS Son and when a parent or person is seeking God in the time of Need they come to those who are supposed to the be knowing word of God praying effectively for the person and leading them to Christ.