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CS1

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You would have to ask God how he makes it possible. He’s God, he can do anything.
LOl ask God to do what HE said don't do? smh. You are insulting my intelligence and We are done. The RCC, not the people are doing a great sin to the people. I Thank God there are and is a great exodus from the RCC in such a way they have to ask those to return. to misuse the word of God and the trust of the people God will hold all accountable. The RCC has a very dismal history and many great people came out of it.
 

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He is all powerful but that does not mean He can do anything. For
instance, see Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, and Hebrews 6:18.
We believe God keeps all Christians connected, even in death. If you don’t want to believe that, don’t believe it.
 

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LOl ask God to do what HE said don't do? smh. You are insulting my intelligence and We are done. The RCC, not the people are doing a great sin to the people. I Thank God there are and is a great exodus from the RCC in such a way they have to ask those to return. to misuse the word of God and the trust of the people God will hold all accountable. The RCC has a very dismal history and many great people came out of it.
God bless you.
 

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We believe God keeps all Christians connected, even in death. If you don’t want to believe that, don’t believe it.
only if you could prove the dead ones are able to pray for us and we can ask them to pray for us. Then you would have something Biblical.
 

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If someone says “pray to” then they are just opening the topic up for confusion to non-Catholics. The church teaches that we can ask saints to pray for us.
Did you open the link?

I quote what pope say in the opening

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O Mary, you shine continuously on our journey as a sign of salvation and hope.
We entrust ourselves to you, Health of the Sick.
At the foot of the Cross you participated in Jesus’ pain,


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Did pope say, o Mary please pray for us?

O Mary ........ we entrust .....to you, not to Jesus.

So pope pray to Mary.
 

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Catholic tradition is NOT the Word of God. Jeepers. See how you twist what is not Biblical to say it is???

That is a pretty big problem within Catholicism.

And now I must be about my day. See you later :)
Ok have good day
Paul said the tradition he passed down is the word of God. We Catholics still believe that.
 

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Did you open the link?

I quote what pope say in the opening

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O Mary, you shine continuously on our journey as a sign of salvation and hope.
We entrust ourselves to you, Health of the Sick.
At the foot of the Cross you participated in Jesus’ pain,


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Did pope say, o Mary please pray for us?

O Mary ........ we entrust .....to you, not to Jesus.

So pope pray to Mary.
The language he used is flowery but if you know what the Church teaches on this matter, you know he’s referring to the belief I’ve stated before.
 

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only if you could prove the dead ones are able to pray for us and we can ask them to pray for us. Then you would have something Biblical.
I mean if you want to go there...Jesus clearly says in John Ch 6 the Eucharist is his flesh and blood literally. But you don’t believe that, so am I to call your belief on that unbiblical since I don’t agree with your interpretation?
 

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Ok have good day
Paul said the tradition he passed down is the word of God. We Catholics still believe that.
Paul was not RCC and Paul was not speaking of the RRC He was speaking of the Acts chapter 2 Church who was not called catholic the first time the term Christian was used was in Antioch. Nowhere in the New Testament is RCC mentioned or man's tradition is to replace the authoritative word of God. Mary has no authority apparently the Pope did not get the memo.
 

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Paul was not RCC and Paul was not speaking of the RRC He was speaking of the Acts chapter 2 Church who was not called catholic the first time the term Christian was used was in Antioch. Nowhere in the New Testament is RCC mentioned or man's tradition is to replace the authoritative word of God. Mary has no authority apparently the Pope did not get the memo.
We disagree about Paul and the history of the Church Christ established. Apostolic succession and the writings of the Early Christian Church have led me to believe what I believe.
 

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I mean if you want to go there...Jesus clearly says in John Ch 6 the Eucharist is his flesh and blood literally. But you don’t believe that, so am I to call your belief on that unbiblical since I don’t agree with your interpretation?
the word eucharist is not in the bible.

it is sad you do not see the supremacy of Christ as he dad in John 6 " I am the Bread of Life" he also said I am am the Living Bread

Jesus said I am the Light of the world in John 8:12
I am the door of the sheep.
I am the good shepherd:

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Yes Jesu said those things to explain the complete authority and absolute testing HIM for ALL things. Him and Him alone.

Not Mary, Not Paul, Not the first pope Peter and not the last pope today but

Jesus: His life, His word, His light, his bread His way, His truth, and His life only. Not for dead saints but In HIm.
 

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We disagree about Paul and the history of the Church Christ established. Apostolic succession and the writings of the Early Christian Church have led me to believe what I believe.
You can't sure of that biblically. You believe what you believe because you place traditions just as authoritative as the word of God.

That is a terrible error one should look at the tradition in the light of the word of God.
 

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I mean if you want to go there...Jesus clearly says in John Ch 6 the Eucharist is his flesh and blood literally. But you don’t believe that, so am I to call your belief on that unbiblical since I don’t agree with your interpretation?
read the full context next you will be telling me Jesus said to pluck out your eye and cut off your hand because you removed the word
" If" from the context of His statement.
 

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The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.
You are seriously misreading my post. We have many denominations in the organized church---Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic. After Christ the main denomination was called "The Way". Other denominations took over, mostly Catholic, and the denomination "The Way" was no more. The Way was a denomination, not the entire church.
 

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You are seriously misreading my post. We have many denominations in the organized church---Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic. After Christ the main denomination was called "The Way". Other denominations took over, mostly Catholic, and the denomination "The Way" was no more. The Way was a denomination, not the entire church.
Your claim that the Church was identified as "The Way", Please provide resources to this claim?
 

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the word eucharist is not in the bible.

it is sad you do not see the supremacy of Christ as he said in John 6 " I am the Bread of Life" he also said I am the Living Bread

Jesus said I am the Light of the world in John 8:12
I am the door of the sheep.
I am the good shepherd:

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Yes, Jesus said those things to explain the complete authority and absolute Trusting HIM for ALL things. Him and Him alone.

Not Mary, Not Paul, Not the first pope Peter and not the last pope today but

Jesus: His life, His word, His light, his bread His way, His truth, and His life only. Not for dead saints but In HIm.
some minor corrections
 

Jackson123

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No it’s not, you’re not Catholic so you don’t know what to look for in those documents.
You don't need to be catholic to google

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Dogmatic Constitution on the Church
LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY
HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964
CHAPTER I - THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH
1. Christ is the light of humanity; and it is, accordingly, the heart-felt desire of this sacred Council, being gathered together in the Holy Spirit, that by proclaiming his Gospel to every creature (cf. Mk. 16:15), it may bring to all men that light of Christ which shines out visibly from the Church. Since the Church, in Christ, is in the nature of sacrament--a sign and instrument, that is, of communion with God and of unity among all men--she here purposes, for the benefit of the faithful and of the whole world, to set forth, as clearly as possible, and in the tradition laid down by earlier Councils, her own nature and universal mission. The condition of the modern world lends greater urgency to this duty of the Church; for, while men of the present day are drawn ever more closely together by social, technical and cultural bonds, it still remains for them to achieve full unity in Christ.

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CDC 841 is from chapter 2/18

18] There is, first, that people to which the covenants and promises were made, and from which Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9 :4-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:29-29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.
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https://www.ourladyswarriors.org/teach/lumegent.htm
 

Jackson123

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The language he used is flowery but if you know what the Church teaches on this matter, you know he’s referring to the belief I’ve stated before.
So your church not teach to pray to Mary but pope, your holy father pray to Mary?

Ask Mary to pray

Ex,
Dear Mary, please pray for me

Pray to mary

O Mary.... we entrust our health to you

It is obvious pray to mary
 

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the word eucharist is not in the bible.

it is sad you do not see the supremacy of Christ as he dad in John 6 " I am the Bread of Life" he also said I am am the Living Bread

Jesus said I am the Light of the world in John 8:12
I am the door of the sheep.
I am the good shepherd:

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Yes Jesu said those things to explain the complete authority and absolute testing HIM for ALL things. Him and Him alone.

Not Mary, Not Paul, Not the first pope Peter and not the last pope today but

Jesus: His life, His word, His light, his bread His way, His truth, and His life only. Not for dead saints but In HIm.
So you deny that the bread and wine are the flesh and blood of Christ, despite Christ saying that it literally is. Gotcha