Mikvah (Baptism): The Connection Between Immersion, Conversion and Being Born Again

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Mikvah (Baptism): The Connection Between Immersion, Conversion and Being Born Again
(free.messianicbible.com)

(My personal comments relevant to the New Testament baptism commanded by Jesus are those italicized in parentheses.)


Many Christians think that baptism originated with Yeshua’s (Jesus’) cousin Yochanan (John), who is known in the Bible as “John the Baptist.” (The one difference was the baptism he preached was for repentance)

But baptism is a Biblical ritual that has been practiced regularly by all of Israel since the days of Moses.

The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion. It is written in Bibles to take the place of the Hebrew word tevilah (to totally immerse).

This ritual immersion in water is carried out in a mikvah, which is a Hebrew word meaning gathering of waters.

For the observant Jew, the mikvah personifies both the womb and the grave and consequently, rebirth. It is regarded as a pure, unadulterated avenue of connection with God; and for that reason, it is a place where hope is reawakened and strengthened.

The mikvah, therefore, plays an important role from preparation for marriage and Yom Kippur to the purification of menstruant women.

Tevilah (full-body immersion) marks a change of status from being tamay to tahor—ritually unclean (impure or unfit for the presence of God) to ritually clean. This is necessary because anytime a person is to come into the presence of God, they must come tahor (pure).

Entering a mikvah, therefore, is commanded in Scripture for a number of common life events.

For example, it was forbidden to come into the presence of God in the Temple without first passing through a mikvah (today, Chassidic men, or ultra-Orthodox Jews, enter the mikvah before Shabbat, and some even go every day of the week before morning prayers).

Scripture instructs that anyone who becomes ritually unclean through contact with a dead or diseased person needs to be immersed in water before re-entering the Temple. (Consider that all are spiritually dead before being reborn in accordance with the NT gospel commands)

A mikvah was also to take place after a leper had been declared healed by the priest. (Consider that leprosy is a picture of sin. Once “healed” from sin via Jesus sacrifice, burial and resurrection the one having been freed of sin was commanded to get baptized.)

“The Lord said to Moses, ‘These are the regulations for the diseased person at the time of his ceremonial cleansing… He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water and he will be clean.’” (Leviticus 14: 1–4, 7, 9)

As well, a woman who completes her menstrual cycle needs to be immersed before resuming sexual relations with her husband. (Leviticus 15:19–24)

This commandment is still observed today. The rabbis explain that this period of abstinence, called the niddah, teaches husbands and wives the need for discipline, respect, and moderation.

In the most traditional Jewish mikvah, a woman must thoroughly wash her entire body, even down to her finger and toenails before entering the mikvah.

Today one of the most widely practiced uses of the mikvah is in the pre-wedding preparation of the bride and groom. It’s a way of becoming ritually pure before the marriage. (Consider how this parallels with ones preparation for entering the marriage supper of the lamb)

There is no better way to enter a marriage than to start off being pure!

The bride is immersed as close to the wedding as possible, even on the
afternoon before the ceremony.

It’s customary for Chassidic men to go to the mikvah before their wedding as well, and today many observant Jews have also taken on this custom.

The Significance of a Mikvah
Obviously, the primary significance of the mikvah isn’t for physical cleansing, but to symbolize a spiritual cleansing.

The apostle Peter tells us that “the waters of immersion is not the removal of dirt from the body, but one’s pledge to keep a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah.” (1 Peter 3:21)

The Prophet Ezekiel also speaks of gaining a spiritual renewal through cleansing waters:

“I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.” (Ezekiel 36:25)

Born Again—a Jewish Term
A man who wants to become Jewish must undergo the two main requirements: circumcision and immersion. A woman, however, must only be immersed. (Consider the “bride” of Christ, consisting of both men and women, need only be immersed in the water of baptism)

When Gentile converts go down into the waters of the mikvah, they leave behind their pagan ways—symbolically dying to their old life—and come up out of the water as a newborn child with an entirely new identity. They are in essence reborn.

The Talmud (oral law) states, “When he comes up after his immersion, he is deemed an Israelite in all respects.” (Yevamot 47b)

Rabbi Yose says in the Talmud, “One who has become a proselyte is like a child newly born.” (Yevamot 48b)

So, we see that the term “born again” originated in Judaism.

Conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus
Understanding that the term “born again” referred to a conversion to Judaism sheds light on the conversation between Yeshua (Jesus) and the sage Nicodemus in the Book of Yochanan (John).

Nicodemus wondered, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (John 3:4)

From his Jewish perspective, Nicodemus essentially asked, “How can I convert to Judaism if I am already a Jew?”

Yeshua answered, “A man must be born of water and spirit.” (John 3:5)

He was explaining to Nicodemus that we cannot rely on our “Jewishness” (or any other heritage) to enter the kingdom of heaven. A conversion of our spiritual condition is necessary for salvation.

Judaism regards the mikvah as a symbolic expression of rebirth.

The mikvah represents the mother’s womb, which is called in Hebrew rechem. This comes from the same root as the Hebrew word for mercy (rahamah).

Immersing fully into the waters of the mikvah is like re-entering the womb, the place of mercy; of God’s creative power. Emerging from the mikvah is like being born again.

Immersion in a mikvah also represents death and resurrection. A person under water enters a death-like state, like a person descending into a grave. When he comes back out of the water, he comes back to life as a new creation.

When we are immersed into Yeshua Hamashiach (the Messiah), we also become a new creation: “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Paul understood this death and rebirth imagery of the immersion and compared it to the death and resurrection of Yeshua:

“Don’t you know that all of us who were immersed into Messiah Yeshua were immersed into His death? We were therefore buried with Him through baptism [immersion] into death in order that, just as Messiah was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” (Romans 6:3-4)

Yeshua, the Mikvah (Hope) of Israel
In Hebrew, the word mikvah has the same root letters as the word hope!

The great Prophet Jeremiah used the word mikvah in the sense of hope:

“O Hashem, the Hope [mikvah] of Israel, all who forsake you will be ashamed … because they have forsaken Hashem, the fountain of living water.” (Jeremiah 17:13)

When Believers are immersed in the waters of the mikvah, as a declaration of faith in Yeshua, they have the hope of a new life, a new beginning in Him.

“For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope [tikvah] and a future.” (Jeremiah 29:11)

Immersion and Repentance
In the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), Yochanan (John) arrived in the desert and began proclaiming the message that Yeshua would also proclaim after His own immersion:

“Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near! … confessing their sins, they were immersed by him in the Yarden [Jordan] River.” (Matthew 3:1–6)

shofar, western wallThe shofar sounds a wake-up call during the High Holy Days to mend our ways and turn back to God. May you experience great joy as you are cleansed and transformed by the power of His Holy Spirit through tevilah (immersion) in the mikvah.
His message of turn and repent is the message of Teshuvah!

Teshuvah is a familiar message during the High Holy Days of Rosh Hashanah (New Year) and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). During these Feasts of the Lord, Israel is to assess her spiritual condition and turn back to God.

The chronology in the Gospels reveals that Yochanan’s arrival took place in the fall, which is the time for these feasts.

The mikvah would have been a sign of inward cleansing in spiritual preparation for the Holy Days. Yeshua Himself entered the waters of mikvah at this time.

It is evident from Yeshua’s final instructions below that tevilah or mikvah would play a part in making all the Gentile nations into Talmidim (disciples) of the Jewish Messiah. He said,

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the name of the Father and of the Son [Yeshua] and of Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit].” (Matthew 28:19)
 
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The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion. It is written in Bibles to take the place of the Hebrew word tevilah (to totally immerse).
Please quote this from a greek-english lexicon..
 
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Mikvah (Baptism): The Connection Between Immersion, Conversion and Being Born Again
(free.messianicbible.com)

(My personal comments relevant to the New Testament baptism commanded by Jesus are those italicized in parentheses.)


Many Christians think that baptism originated with Yeshua’s (Jesus’) cousin Yochanan (John), who is known in the Bible as “John the Baptist.” (The one difference was the baptism he preached was for repentance)

But baptism is a Biblical ritual that has been practiced regularly by all of Israel since the days of Moses.

The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion. It is written in Bibles to take the place of the Hebrew word tevilah (to totally immerse).

This ritual immersion in water is carried out in a mikvah, which is a Hebrew word meaning gathering of waters.

For the observant Jew, the mikvah personifies both the womb and the grave and consequently, rebirth. It is regarded as a pure, unadulterated avenue of connection with God; and for that reason, it is a place where hope is reawakened and strengthened.

The mikvah, therefore, plays an important role from preparation for marriage and Yom Kippur to the purification of menstruant women.

Tevilah (full-body immersion) marks a change of status from being tamay to tahor—ritually unclean (impure or unfit for the presence of God) to ritually clean. This is necessary because anytime a person is to come into the presence of God, they must come tahor (pure).

Entering a mikvah, therefore, is commanded in Scripture for a number of common life events.

For example, it was forbidden to come into the presence of God in the Temple without first passing through a mikvah (today, Chassidic men, or ultra-Orthodox Jews, enter the mikvah before Shabbat, and some even go every day of the week before morning prayers).

Scripture instructs that anyone who becomes ritually unclean through contact with a dead or diseased person needs to be immersed in water before re-entering the Temple. (Consider that all are spiritually dead before being reborn in accordance with the NT gospel commands)

A mikvah was also to take place after a leper had been declared healed by the priest. (Consider that leprosy is a picture of sin. Once “healed” from sin via Jesus sacrifice, burial and resurrection the one having been freed of sin was commanded to get baptized.)

“The Lord said to Moses, ‘These are the regulations for the diseased person at the time of his ceremonial cleansing… He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water and he will be clean.’” (Leviticus 14: 1–4, 7, 9)

As well, a woman who completes her menstrual cycle needs to be immersed before resuming sexual relations with her husband. (Leviticus 15:19–24)

This commandment is still observed today. The rabbis explain that this period of abstinence, called the niddah, teaches husbands and wives the need for discipline, respect, and moderation.

In the most traditional Jewish mikvah, a woman must thoroughly wash her entire body, even down to her finger and toenails before entering the mikvah.

Today one of the most widely practiced uses of the mikvah is in the pre-wedding preparation of the bride and groom. It’s a way of becoming ritually pure before the marriage. (Consider how this parallels with ones preparation for entering the marriage supper of the lamb)

There is no better way to enter a marriage than to start off being pure!

The bride is immersed as close to the wedding as possible, even on the
afternoon before the ceremony.

It’s customary for Chassidic men to go to the mikvah before their wedding as well, and today many observant Jews have also taken on this custom.

The Significance of a Mikvah
Obviously, the primary significance of the mikvah isn’t for physical cleansing, but to symbolize a spiritual cleansing.

The apostle Peter tells us that “the waters of immersion is not the removal of dirt from the body, but one’s pledge to keep a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah.” (1 Peter 3:21)

The Prophet Ezekiel also speaks of gaining a spiritual renewal through cleansing waters:

“I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.” (Ezekiel 36:25)

Born Again—a Jewish Term
A man who wants to become Jewish must undergo the two main requirements: circumcision and immersion. A woman, however, must only be immersed. (Consider the “bride” of Christ, consisting of both men and women, need only be immersed in the water of baptism)

When Gentile converts go down into the waters of the mikvah, they leave behind their pagan ways—symbolically dying to their old life—and come up out of the water as a newborn child with an entirely new identity. They are in essence reborn.

The Talmud (oral law) states, “When he comes up after his immersion, he is deemed an Israelite in all respects.” (Yevamot 47b)

Rabbi Yose says in the Talmud, “One who has become a proselyte is like a child newly born.” (Yevamot 48b)

So, we see that the term “born again” originated in Judaism.

Conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus
Understanding that the term “born again” referred to a conversion to Judaism sheds light on the conversation between Yeshua (Jesus) and the sage Nicodemus in the Book of Yochanan (John).

Nicodemus wondered, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (John 3:4)

From his Jewish perspective, Nicodemus essentially asked, “How can I convert to Judaism if I am already a Jew?”

Yeshua answered, “A man must be born of water and spirit.” (John 3:5)

He was explaining to Nicodemus that we cannot rely on our “Jewishness” (or any other heritage) to enter the kingdom of heaven. A conversion of our spiritual condition is necessary for salvation.

Judaism regards the mikvah as a symbolic expression of rebirth.

The mikvah represents the mother’s womb, which is called in Hebrew rechem. This comes from the same root as the Hebrew word for mercy (rahamah).

Immersing fully into the waters of the mikvah is like re-entering the womb, the place of mercy; of God’s creative power. Emerging from the mikvah is like being born again.

Immersion in a mikvah also represents death and resurrection. A person under water enters a death-like state, like a person descending into a grave. When he comes back out of the water, he comes back to life as a new creation.

When we are immersed into Yeshua Hamashiach (the Messiah), we also become a new creation: “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Paul understood this death and rebirth imagery of the immersion and compared it to the death and resurrection of Yeshua:

“Don’t you know that all of us who were immersed into Messiah Yeshua were immersed into His death? We were therefore buried with Him through baptism [immersion] into death in order that, just as Messiah was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” (Romans 6:3-4)

Yeshua, the Mikvah (Hope) of Israel
In Hebrew, the word mikvah has the same root letters as the word hope!

The great Prophet Jeremiah used the word mikvah in the sense of hope:

“O Hashem, the Hope [mikvah] of Israel, all who forsake you will be ashamed … because they have forsaken Hashem, the fountain of living water.” (Jeremiah 17:13)

When Believers are immersed in the waters of the mikvah, as a declaration of faith in Yeshua, they have the hope of a new life, a new beginning in Him.

“For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope [tikvah] and a future.” (Jeremiah 29:11)

Immersion and Repentance
In the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), Yochanan (John) arrived in the desert and began proclaiming the message that Yeshua would also proclaim after His own immersion:

“Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near! … confessing their sins, they were immersed by him in the Yarden [Jordan] River.” (Matthew 3:1–6)

shofar, western wallThe shofar sounds a wake-up call during the High Holy Days to mend our ways and turn back to God. May you experience great joy as you are cleansed and transformed by the power of His Holy Spirit through tevilah (immersion) in the mikvah.
His message of turn and repent is the message of Teshuvah!

Teshuvah is a familiar message during the High Holy Days of Rosh Hashanah (New Year) and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). During these Feasts of the Lord, Israel is to assess her spiritual condition and turn back to God.

The chronology in the Gospels reveals that Yochanan’s arrival took place in the fall, which is the time for these feasts.

The mikvah would have been a sign of inward cleansing in spiritual preparation for the Holy Days. Yeshua Himself entered the waters of mikvah at this time.

It is evident from Yeshua’s final instructions below that tevilah or mikvah would play a part in making all the Gentile nations into Talmidim (disciples) of the Jewish Messiah. He said,

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the name of the Father and of the Son [Yeshua] and of Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit].” (Matthew 28:19)
Thanks for sharing your insight.
 

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Mikvah (Baptism): The Connection Between Immersion, Conversion and Being Born Again
Many Christians think that baptism originated with Yeshua’s (Jesus’) cousin Yochanan (John), who is known in the Bible as “John the Baptist.” (The one difference was the baptism he preached was for repentance)

But baptism is a Biblical ritual that has been practiced regularly by all of Israel since the days of Moses.

The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion.

Born Again—a Jewish Term
A man who wants to become Jewish must undergo the two main requirements: circumcision and immersion. A woman, however, must only be immersed. (Consider the “bride” of Christ, consisting of both men and women, need only be immersed in the water of baptism)

When Gentile converts go down into the waters of the mikvah, they leave behind their pagan ways—symbolically dying to their old life—and come up out of the water as a newborn child with an entirely new identity. They are in essence reborn.

Paul understood this death and rebirth imagery of the immersion and compared it to the death and resurrection of Yeshua:

“Don’t you know that all of us who were immersed into Messiah Yeshua were immersed into His death? We were therefore buried with Him through baptism [immersion] into death in order that, just as Messiah was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” (Romans 6:3-4)

Immersion and Repentance
In the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), Yochanan (John) arrived in the desert and began proclaiming the message that Yeshua would also proclaim after His own immersion:

“Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near! … confessing their sins, they were immersed by him in the Yarden [Jordan] River.” (Matthew 3:1–6)

It is evident from Yeshua’s final instructions below that tevilah or mikvah would play a part in making all the Gentile nations into Talmidim (disciples) of the Jewish Messiah. He said,

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the name of the Father and of the Son [Yeshua] and of Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit].” (Matthew 28:19)
Precious friend, thanks so much for your interesting view.
However, I will have to respectfully Disagree:

The OT "induction Into the Israeli priesthood" was by a
"washing Of the hands and feet {not immersion}:


{borrowed from FULL study of 12 baptisms}:

4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus 29:4;
Leviticus 8:6; Numbers 8:7!). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First
being: "NO blemish!" (Leviticus 21:21!)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!

Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?

9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross),
And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach!​
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30;
Acts 10:37; Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16;
Ezekiel 36:25).

a) Does this baptism “save” anyone (Luke 7:29-30?)?
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b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For
them “to be a nation of priests unto God" (Exodus 19:6!)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction,
Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve “heal” everyone in Israel who came to
them, in order to meet “The FIRST Requirement” For the priesthood, that
Of "NO blemish!”? (Matthew 4:24; Acts 5:16 cp Leviticus 21:21!).

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c) Is this baptism “for today”? IF this baptism is FOR US Today, we have
Several More Questions:

c1) Why does NO ONE Today, “teach,” as “John ( Under The LAW! ),
Claimed: it is FOR “making CHRIST Manifest To Israel” (John 1:31!)?

c2) Why does {Almost} NO ONE Today, “Confess their sins,”
when they come to This baptism (Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:5!)?

c3) Why do not ALL Divided “denominations who WATER baptize” today,
agree AS ONE, And “teach” water as John, CHRIST, And The
Twelve ( Under The LAW! ), “taught” That “water baptism Is FOR The
Remission Of sins!” (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 2:38!).

{ instead of each one’s own “symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!” }?

c4) FurtherMoreOver, IF water baptism For the priesthood is for us,
today, how is it that Many believers DO NOT even Qualify In God's
FIRST Requirement, that of "NO Blemish!" {see GRACE Word for infirmities}
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Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism

This is the baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit, BY JESUS CHRIST,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel with
signs and powers following. (Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16).

And, is not THIS The THIRD Requirement For "priesthood induction" =
Anointing? (compare Exodus 29:7; Leviticus 8:10-12).

Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us TODAY?
Prophecy/Law
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Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From "Things That Differ!":
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Mystery/GRACE
{borrowed from FULL study of ONE Baptism}:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)
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Conclusion: Interesting, is it not, how that Paul, our apostle, Under
God's PURE GRACE,
has "not ONE word" about any priesthood for
The Body Of CHRIST (Romans - Philemon KJB}!

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Blessed!
 

Wansvic

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Precious friend, thanks so much for your interesting view.
However, I will have to respectfully Disagree:

The OT "induction Into the Israeli priesthood" was by a
"washing Of the hands and feet {not immersion}:
Please notice there is a distinction between the washing required for the induction into priesthood, and the one required each time the priests entered the Tabernacle in service. A clear parallel to one's initial water baptism, and afterward the washing of the water by the word in our daily walk with God.

Moses was instructed to wash Aaron and his sons with water prior to their being clothed with priestly garments:

"And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:
And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.
And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons." Ex 29:4-9


Afterward Aaron and his sons were instructed to wash their hands and feet prior to entering the Tabernacle that they die not:

"Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the Lord:
So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations." Ex 30:18-21
 

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Please notice there is a distinction between the washing required for the induction into priesthood, and the one required each time the priests entered the Tabernacle in service. A clear parallel to one's initial water baptism, and afterward the washing of the water by the word in our daily walk with God.

Moses was instructed to wash Aaron and his sons with water prior to their being clothed with priestly garments:

"And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:
And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.
And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons." Ex 29:4-9


Afterward Aaron and his sons were instructed to wash their hands and feet prior to entering the Tabernacle that they die not:

"Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the Lord:
So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations." Ex 30:18-21
Thanks, notice has been taken. Now, the question is: Are the Gentiles, Today,
Under God's GRACE, Required By God,
to Also be partakers of the Jewish "nation of priests unto God" (Ex 19:6)?
 

Wansvic

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#7
Thanks, notice has been taken. Now, the question is: Are the Gentiles, Today,
Under God's GRACE, Required By God,
to Also be partakers of the Jewish "nation of priests unto God" (Ex 19:6)?
Peter's comments and actions in regards to the requirements being the same for both Jew and Gentile answers the question. Peter states that both groups were initially given the same gospel by him. And specifically states God put no difference between Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 15:7-9) After the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost, Peter commanded they submit to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus just as he had commanded of the Jews. (Acts 2:38)

Both Jew and Gentile are part of a royal priesthood carrying the gospel message, in service to God, to unbelievers around the world. (1 Peter 2:9-10) Peter's comment that this group is made up of those who were not, but are now a people of God was echoed by Paul as well. (Rom. 9:25-33)


I included the scriptures below for your convenience:

"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith." Acts 15:7-9


"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." Acts 10:44-48

1 Peter 2:9-10
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:25
As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:30-33
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
 

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Peter's comments and actions in regards to the requirements being the same for both Jew and Gentile answers the question. Peter states that both groups were initially given the same gospel by him. And specifically states God put no difference between Jews and Gentiles.
Thanks, very well thought out and spoken. More questions:

Why Did God Interrupt Peter's initial "preaching The Gospel Of The
Kingdom" to the Gentiles? i.e: To The Jews At Pentecost, previously:

"....Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of
JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive
the Gift Of The Holy Ghost."

Is this God's Order of Requirements? Repent, water baptism,
forgiveness, And Then receipt Of The Holy Ghost? Is it ok for
"man to change" God's Order?

Why Did God interrupt Peter, and "Change The Order"
to: repent, forgiveness, receive the Holy Spirit, and THEN:

water baptism after?

Was there not a transition taking place With
God
changing over from Law to GRACE?
 

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Thanks, very well thought out and spoken. More questions:

Why Did God Interrupt Peter's initial "preaching The Gospel Of The
Kingdom" to the Gentiles? i.e: To The Jews At Pentecost, previously:

"....Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of
JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive
the Gift Of The Holy Ghost."

Is this God's Order of Requirements? Repent, water baptism,
forgiveness, And Then receipt Of The Holy Ghost? Is it ok for
"man to change" God's Order?

Why Did God interrupt Peter, and "Change The Order"
to: repent, forgiveness, receive the Holy Spirit, and THEN:

water baptism after?

Was there not a transition taking place With
God
changing over from Law to GRACE?
What is clearly shown in scripture is that one's spiritual rebirth requires all components initially detailed by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. The biblical record does witness to the fact that the sequence can differ, albeit the result is the same.

Something that should be noted, although not specifically recorded, those in the upper room would have been required to be re-baptized in the name of the Jesus after they received the Holy Ghost as well. Therefore, the initial experience of the Jews (in the upper room) and Gentiles came about in the same sequence.

John the Baptist introduced the concept that the water baptism of repentance was for the remission of sin. (Luke 3:3-5) Keep in mind that Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) This occurred on the Day of Pentecost and indicates that after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection in order to be buried with Him required the use of His name in water baptism. This truth is also witnessed by Paul's instructions to the disciples in Ephesus. (See Acts 19:1-6)

Keep in mind as well that Jesus gave Peter the "keys" to the kingdom. God's designed keys open the doorway to Heaven.

In order to "see" and enter into the Kingdom of God requires a spiritual rebirth that includes water and Spirit. (John 3:3-5) The things of God can be known by the things He created. (Rom. 1:20) Being born naturally requires both water and Spirit. So too, one's spiritual rebirth requires the same components through God's design.
 

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The entire old testament is a shadow, an outline, of the new testament. This is only one example. In order to learn everything about how the new testament fulfilled all the old testament tells us, we need to read and know what it was the new testament fulfilled.

God is one, God is eternal. There is no change in God from Genesis to Revelation, all is connected, even circumcision and the blood necessary for salvation.

In the old testament, the foreskin was cut as a sign of circumcision, in the new testament cutting of skin was changed but the need for circumcision remained the same---it was to be of the heart. In the old testament the blood of perfect animals was required for salvation, in the new testament that was fulfilled and the blood of the perfect Christ is given for salvation. In the old testament humans were to be cleansed by living water, in the new testament humans were to be cleansed through the baptism of the hold spirit.
 

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What is clearly shown in scripture is that one's spiritual rebirth requires all components initially detailed by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. The biblical record does witness to the fact that the sequence can differ, albeit the result is the same.
In the old testament humans were to be cleansed by living water, in the new testament humans were to be cleansed through the baptism of the hold spirit.
{ GA asks: Holy Spirit? }
Respectfully, this is not so clear {1000's of internet posts} to some.
In the Law to GRACE Dispensational changeover, we have more Differing sequences, i.e:

(1) Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, After water baptism/forgiveness
(Acts 2 : 38)

(2) Forgiveness/Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, Before water baptism
(Acts 10 : 34-48)

(3) Belief/forgiveness? And, have not "heard of any Holy Ghost"?:
12 men of Ephesus:

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.... (Acts 19 : 2-4) Interpretational Options?:

(3a) Belief/water baptism/forgiveness? And, NO Holy Spirit, until re-baptism and "laying on of hands" i.e:

....When they {12 men of Ephesus} heard this, they were {RE-} baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Acts 9 : 5-6)

OR:

(3b) Belief/water baptism/forgiveness? And, NO Holy Spirit,
until "laying on of hands" i.e:​

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this {what John said}, they were baptized {by John} in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
(Acts 9 : 4-5) THEN:

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them {12 men of Ephesus},
the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Acts 9 : 6)

Should we get our doctrine from the changing Acts of the apostles,
during God's Transition, or should we not get God's Sound Doctrine
From
What HE Taught The Twelve, on the earth, FOR Israel, Under
HIS Program of Prophecy and Law, Comparing that to, And, Also:

Rightly Dividing
(2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) it From "Things That DIFFER!":

God's Other Program of HIS "Revelation Of The Mystery/GRACE!"
Doctrine Of CHRIST, From Heaven, To Paul,
our apostle of GRACE!

More here:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Therefore, what is clear from Scripture, Is That God Has Only
ONE "Baptismal" Requirement, Today, For The Body Of CHRIST,
And,
That ONE Is "BY The ONE Holy Spirit"
(Eph 4 : 5; 1Co 12 : 13 KJB!)

And, that to ADD an OT ritual to HIS Clear Doctrine = bad math!
Unless ONE = two?
{not to mention a Whole Host Of Traditional religious Confusion...}

Be Blessed!
 

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Should we get our doctrine from the changing Acts of the apostles,
during God's Transition, or should we not get God's Sound Doctrine
From
What HE Taught The Twelve, on the earth, FOR Israel, Under
HIS Program of Prophecy and Law, Comparing that to, And, Also:

Rightly Dividing
(2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) it From "Things That DIFFER!":

God's Other Program of HIS "Revelation Of The Mystery/GRACE!"
Doctrine Of CHRIST, From Heaven, To Paul,
our apostle of GRACE!

More here:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Therefore, what is clear from Scripture, Is That God Has Only
ONE "Baptismal" Requirement, Today, For The Body Of CHRIST,
And,
That ONE Is "BY The ONE Holy Spirit"
(Eph 4 : 5; 1Co 12 : 13 KJB!)

And, that to ADD an OT ritual to HIS Clear Doctrine = bad math!
Unless ONE = two?
{not to mention a Whole Host Of Traditional religious Confusion...}

Be Blessed!
The implication that the apostles did not follow Jesus' instructions is an erroneous assumption. They did as Jesus instructed and preached the message and water baptized. (Mark 16:16; Matt. 28:19) Consider that God is the only one who has control of when one is filled with His Holy Spirit. On the other hand, every human being has the ability to make a conscience decision whether or not to obey the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Another point is that no where in the word does it state that all aspects associated with the spiritual rebirth experience ever ceased. As with the Ephesus disciples, Paul was still following God's initial instructions presented by Peter 20 years earlier.