Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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No!! The church does not replace Israel. Now you're mixing OSAS with Replacement Theology. smh You're ignoring the entire passage. It says clearly "ALL ISRAEL will be saved". This has nothing to do with YOU. Sorry, you're just totally wrong here. It's clear and you're denying it.
Seems to me replacement theology traces back to their end times doctrine.

There is a reason for it.
They need it to be that way in spite of the bible.
 
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John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
Note that the 144k are ethnic Jews. But born again messianic Jews.

They are sealed...but only they are sealed...indicting they are not part of the gentile believers. In fact they are "firstfruits" of the JEWISH gathering , main harvest,that come to heaven through Jesus. Rev 14
 

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Note that the 144k are ethnic Jews. But born again messianic Jews.

They are sealed...but only they are sealed...indicting they are not part of the gentile believers. In fact they are "firstfruits" of the JEWISH gathering , main harvest,that come to heaven through Jesus. Rev 14
You claim Jew believers and Gentile believers are two separate groups, but both are saved?

You claim the Jews are sealed, and suggest gentile believers are not sealed?

The 144,000 are "New Converts" to the Church present on earth, all believers are sealed by God the Holy Spirit, Eph 1:13, 4:30
 

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The 144,000 are "New Converts" to the Church present on earth, all believers are sealed by God the Holy Spirit, Eph 1:13, 4:30
why is there such a point made about them being 12,000 per ((JEWISH)) tribe?

why this list of tribes, and why in this order?
this sequence of tribes is found nowhere else in scripture. is it meaningless?
 

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The only way into the Kingdom of God is to be born into it.
so how do decrepit beggars compelled by the Servant of the Master to go with Him to the feast get wedding garments?
 

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why is there such a point made about them being 12,000 per ((JEWISH)) tribe?

why this list of tribes, and why in this order?
this sequence of tribes is found nowhere else in scripture. is it meaningless?
Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the fact, the 144,000 are saved, sealed by the Holy Spirit, and "Added" to the Church present on earth

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

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Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the fact, the 144,000 are saved, sealed by the Holy Spirit, and "Added" to the Church present on earth

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
why are they Jews, why are they 12k per tribe, why is it this particular list of tribes in this particular order?
 

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why are they Jews, why are they 12k per tribe, why is it this particular list of tribes in this particular order?
Is it true that this is the only place in the Bible where the tribes are listed in this particular order?
 

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Romans and ruth depict the dual covenant and the Jew Gentile groups God is gathering.

The key component is covenant.

Think "covenant"
Ruth points to God grafting in gentiles (moabite in this case) by faith.

Was Ruth a Moabite or an Israelite? She was very likely a Moabite ethnically, but a faithful Israelite lawfully. To suppose otherwise would be inconsistent with the plain reading and beautiful redeeming theme of Scripture.
https://bbcpo.com/was-ruth-a-moabite-or-an-israelite/


Romans also points to God making no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

Romans 2:9-11
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality.


Romans 10:11-13
11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

God shows no partiality, which is also corroborated in Acts.

Acts 10:34-35
34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to hi


You may believe what you want, but I am secure in my stance.
 
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Pastor Anderson makes a lot of sense in that video. I agree with him. It was encouraging to see a few other pastors that resist dispensationalism.

But I did have to laugh a little bit when he started talking about geneologies.
"Don't get into endless geneologies!"....<immediately goes and gets a DNA analysis.> LOL!
The truth about the truth is before all but yet they are given over to believe a lie.
Some things just never change.
 

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Read Ezekiel, Chapters 36-39
It clearly speaks of the Israelites returning to Jerusalem after the 70 year Babylonian Captivity, you will closely note, the heathen are round about Jerusalem

Ezekiel 36:31-36KJV

31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spoken it, and I will do it.
 
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so how do decrepit beggars compelled by the Servant of the Master to go with Him to the feast get wedding garments?
What is so funny to me is that you do not
know the correct answer to your own question.
And you keep posting it to me over and over.
You do this because you ....have no free will.