What is your take here The LORD's soul (nephesh)

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4ChristAlone

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phil36 said:
(And yet you know full well what you are meaning by your OP?)


The answer is. Them all except one, the context of one of the verses implies Lordship of Jesus (that's a clue lol).

It's good you and live4him are good friends you both joined basically on the same date.. That's pretty cool ;)
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Weve been freinds for a decade or longer I believe, I am the one who convinced him to join, I just followed, but ended up going to another board for the most part. I need more activity and he cannot be bothered lol

But no, I do not know what that means, and you attributed whatever the long word with a t is lol to YHWH when I included both in there, so that is what I am asking.

The reason I over 25 years old in the Lord and dont know what folks are talking about is because they use these big weird words that these theological professors push on us, they are an irritating bunch lol
 
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Live4Him said:
She and I have known each other for many years (somewhere between 10 and 15, I think). She's the one who recommended this forum to me. I'll never forgive her for that...lol.
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We posted at the same time LOL
 
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4ChristAlone said:
Can you point out which verses you are speaking about when you say, Tetragrammaton (YHWH)

I have no clue what that means lol
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The "tetragrammaton" is the 4 letters that make up God's name in the Bible. There are no vowels in the Hebrew alphabet, so some translate it as YaHWeH, and others translate it as YeHoVaH or JeHoVaH.
 
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Live4Him said:
The "tetragrammaton" is the 4 letters that make up God's name in the Bible. There are no vowels in the Hebrew alphabet, so some translate it as YaHWeH, and others translate it as YeHoVaH or JeHoVaH.
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Your kidding me? So they made us some 14 letter hard to pronounce word to call the 4 letters by?
What a waste of space that is.

I just sort of do it this way (OT)

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]]
The LORD (Jehovah) said unto my Lord (Yeshua)
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Or as Jesus said, (NT)

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost,
The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Then asks here

If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

As Elizabeth referred to Mary

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me,
that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

The Apostles seem to show

The LORD (Jehovah) made Jesus Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

As Jesus said,

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
and the Father in me?

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,

John 20:17 Jesus now, after he had risen said... go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Just to catch the differnce between the two
 
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Live4Him said:
Hey.

Well, seeing how you and I have known each other personally for many years, I understand your color codings, so I'll address that first.

Apparently, what you've coded in blue pertains to God the Father, and what you've coded in red pertains to Jesus Christ.

I definitely agree with those distinctions in relation to Isaiah 42:1, 53:10, Psalm 110:1, and Acts 2:36, but I'm not sure who "the LORD" (Jehovah) is in Psalm 11:5. Sometimes that word in the Hebrew refers to God the Father in the Bible, and sometimes it refers to Jesus Christ. There are indicators elsewhere in that psalm that it might actually pertain to Jesus Christ.

Anyhow, your point seems to be that both God and Jesus are said to have souls in scripture, but I'm unsure of your follow-up question or point at the moment.

Can you elaborate?

Thanks.
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4ChristAlone said:
Your kidding me? So they made us some 14 letter hard to pronounce word to call the 4 letters by?
What a waste of space that is.

I just sort of do it this way (OT)

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]]
The LORD (Jehovah) said unto my Lord (Yeshua)
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Or as Jesus said, (NT)

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost,
The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Then asks here

If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

As Elizabeth referred to Mary

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me,
that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

The Apostles seem to show

The LORD (Jehovah) made Jesus Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

As Jesus said,

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
and the Father in me?

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,

John 20:17 Jesus now, after he had risen said... go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Just to catch the differnce between the two
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And what is the difference between the two? Are the Father and Son two separate persons or one and the same person?
 
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phil36 said:
And what is the difference between the two? Are the Father and Son two separate persons or one and the same person?
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What is a person when it comes to the LORD? We know that in Hebrews 1:3 Jesus is said to be the express image of his person, thats why Jesus said if you knew me you would know the Father, he is the image of the invisible God. And if he is the image of the invisible one then that speaks to his person. They wanted him to show them the Father and that would suffice, and they only knew Jesus after the flesh (visible) but thats not his image, it was his person.

Thats where person is spoken of there
 
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4ChristAlone said:
What is a person when it comes to the LORD? We know that in Hebrews 1:3 Jesus is said to be the express image of his person, thats why Jesus said if you knew me you would know the Father, he is the image of the invisible God. And if he is the image of the invisible one then that speaks to his person. They wanted him to show them the Father and that would suffice, and they only knew Jesus after the flesh (visible) but thats not his image, it was his person.

Thats where person is spoken of there
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So are you saying Jesus is a manifestation of the Father and not a separate person distinct from the Father?
 
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phil36 said:
So are you saying Jesus is a manifestation of the Father and not a separate person distinct from the Father?
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I dont know what you mean, I believe Jesus is a person and the Father dwelled together in him, and that Jesus is the expressed image of the Father, that when you see the person of Jesus you know the Father by Him.
 
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4ChristAlone said:
I dont know what you mean, I believe Jesus is a person and the Father dwelled together in him, and that Jesus is the expressed image of the Father, that when you see the person of Jesus you know the Father by Him.
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Ok, I think you know exactly what I mean. The Holy Spirit is God, but is he a seperate person from the Father?
 
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I love these together

Shows Philip knowing Christ after the flesh (outward) verses Spirit (inward)

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Who is the image of the invisible God

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

He is the express image of his person (is that which can be known of him)

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Seeing Jesus in the flesh (or rather, knowing him after the sight of his flesh) is not knowing him (his person)

2 Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

They beheld the glory as of the only begotten, who is the brightness of His glory.
 
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You know oneness theologians talk in the same categories.. Interesting. And some other cults.
 
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phil36 said:
Ok, I think you know exactly what I mean. The Holy Spirit is God, but is he a seperate person from the Father?
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To be honest, I never know what to do with these kinds of questions. My question might be how does it speak of them in scripture? Then theres your answer. Afterall, what do I know except what the scripture tells me, I can only know what they tell me and reason out of them to form my thoughts accordingly. So as far as it mentions persons (and how they are spoken of in them) I couldnt tell you anymore then what I can read and understand.

The only time I hear them come up is during inquisitions lol

And in the end of those it often ends somewhat funny, "Oh its a mystery" LOL And then you want to say, then why the heck did you put me on the rack over questions scripture doesnt say anything on and expect new answers of me outside of the scriptures only to tell me its a mystery when you are finished with it? lol

Its sorta funny
 
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phil36 said:
You know oneness theologians talk in the same categories.. Interesting. And some other cults.
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I dont know what oneness theologians teach, I can only guess. I just stick with the scripture, and if someone finds an error in the scripture then I ask them to point it out. Whether it is twoness, or oneness, or sameness or hyopostaticy or electromagnetic lol I dont know what you call it.
 
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4ChristAlone said:
I dont know what oneness theologians teach, I can only guess. I just stick with the scripture, and if someone finds an error in the scripture then I ask them to point it out. Whether it is twoness, or oneness, or sameness or hyopostaticy or electromagnetic lol I dont know what you call it.
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It's not the scripture that is in error..

It's kind of dishonest to be disingenuous.

But since live4him has agreed with you especially your ''colour coding'', it will be interesting what he has to say.

Anyhow I'm going to get a couple hours of sleep. have a nice evening.
 
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phil36 said:
It's not the scripture that is in error..

It's kind of dishonest to be disingenuous.

But since live4him has agreed with you especially your ''colour coding'', it will be interesting what he has to say.

Anyhow I'm going to get a couple hours of sleep. have a nice evening.
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Why would it be disingenuous to find error in the scripture? If I have handled them incorrectly when using only the scripture I need someone to help point that out. That is exactly why I asked Live4Him to cross check them for me because he is a good cross checker and I want to be sure the scriptures I used were looked at first. If theres an error he will point it out to me. I love that about him.

And I color code to made distinctions as I move from the same kind of contrasts I am making between the verses I am comparing so as to make them easier to see. I find them very helpful.

Good night to you too.
 
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phil36 said:
And what is the difference between the two? Are the Father and Son two separate persons or one and the same person?
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They are definitely two distinct "persons" (for lack of a better word), yet one in the sense of unity.

Why do you ask?
 
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phil36 said:
It's not the scripture that is in error..

It's kind of dishonest to be disingenuous.

But since live4him has agreed with you especially your ''colour coding'', it will be interesting what he has to say.

Anyhow I'm going to get a couple hours of sleep. have a nice evening.
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Hey, Phil.

I've known this poster for at least 10 years, and I can assure you that she's not being disingenuous. She and I have spoken hundreds of times to each other about God and his word, and she simply keeps her nose in the Bible and not in Christian terminology that seeks to describe or define it. She honestly doesn't know (or care) about such terminology, so she's not pretending to know less than she actually does. I feel that I can say that with certainty.

Anyhow, I'm not here to defend her, but this is precisely what she's referring to when she speaks of things like "inquisitions". In other words, she's habitually been questioned over the years about certain terminologies as opposed to the scriptures themselves.
 
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4ChristAlone said:
Why would it be disingenuous to find error in the scripture? If I have handled them incorrectly when using only the scripture I need someone to help point that out. That is exactly why I asked Live4Him to cross check them for me because he is a good cross checker and I want to be sure the scriptures I used were looked at first. If theres an error he will point it out to me. I love that about him.

And I color code to made distinctions as I move from the same kind of contrasts I am making between the verses I am comparing so as to make them easier to see. I find them very helpful.

Good night to you too.
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Not to be a mediator between you two, but I believe that Phil mentioned "disingenuous" in relation to your understanding of certain terminologies that men use to describe or define Biblical doctrines or teachings. As I've just posted, knowing you for years, I don't believe that you're pretending to know less about such terminologies than you're saying here, and that's what being disingenuous means.

As far as finding error in the scripture is concerned, I know what you meant, but others might misread it. In other words, I know that you weren't suggesting that the scriptures themselves might be in error, but rather that you might have erroneously misapplied one or more of them, and that is why you asked me to fact-check them for you.

Anyhow, I hope that helps to clear up any possible confusion or misunderstanding between you two.
 
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