Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[CS1]

Many falsely teach Jesus Christ will return to earth, taking a literal throne of David in Jerusalem, to start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?

This figure will be the Man Of Sin, The False Christ, The Antichrist, "Beware"!

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon This Earth, And He Warned His Followers Of The End Time Deception

"Believe it Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Future False Christ And False Prophet "Beware"!

Revelation 13:11-13KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with

hold guy, Jesus literally left Isreal and is returning to that very location that is what the bible says. The coming of the Lord will not be duplicated. Every Eye shall see HIm and cry out because of HIM. There will be no doubt as to who is the King of kings and Lord of lords on that great and dreadful day of the Lord.

 

[Evmur]

Many falsely teach Jesus Christ will return to earth, taking a literal throne of David in Jerusalem, to start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?

This figure will be the Man Of Sin, The False Christ, The Antichrist, "Beware"!

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon This Earth, And He Warned His Followers Of The End Time Deception

"Believe it Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Future False Christ And False Prophet "Beware"!

Revelation 13:11-13KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with

The fact that there will be a false Christ, an imitation shows that there will be a true one ... we will recognise Antichrist, Christ will destroy Him when He comes.

 

[kaylagrl]

Based on prophecy and Middle East history, I don't think the Jews are going to believe the antichrist figure to be the Messiah.

Humm, something I had always heard in sermons and saw in Scripture . Can you expand on that a little more?

 

[Truth7t7]

The very words of Jesus say, Isreal, is important today. Jesus said that He was sent to the Israelites as the Promised One, but He sent His apostles to “all nations” to teach so that it was to Them that He entrusted the rest of His mission of salvation. In Matthew 28: 18–20 “

Rev 7

One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;[fn]
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.


the two witnesses have seen in the Holy City what city is that?

Jesus is coming back and placing his feet on the mount. Olives where is that Mountian?

The 144,000 represents the Church, that are saved, sealed, and added to the Church on earth during the tribulation, sealed as all Christian's by the Holy Spirit Eph 1:13, 4:30

Jerusalem will be the place of the final showdown, between the two Witnesses seen in Rev 11 and the Antichrist, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt for 3.5 years

Jesus Christ will return to this earthly mount of olives, and it's at this time, in the twinkling of an eye that the existing earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgement, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for Eternity, the day of the Lord has been fulfilled Zech 14:1, 2 Peter 3:10

 

[OldSage]

The very words of Jesus say, Isreal, is important today. Jesus said that He was sent to the Israelites as the Promised One, but He sent His apostles to “all nations” to teach so that it was to Them that He entrusted the rest of His mission of salvation. In Matthew 28: 18–20 “

Rev 7

One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;[fn]
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.


the two witnesses have seen in the Holy City what city is that?

Jesus is coming back and placing his feet on the mount. Olives where is that Mountian?

I suppose if we understand that the nations have now become Israel

Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body,

Then the Tribal members likewise are polyglot - from the world.
I guess Dan who dwells at sea is not considered land-based, not of the nations.

I don't know, just throwing it out there

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes

The fact that there will be a false Christ, an imitation shows that there will be a true one ... we will recognise Antichrist, Christ will destroy Him when He comes.

The Lord Jesus will destroy the Antichrist at his return, and the heavens and earth will be dissolved by his fire also.

Something you refuse to accept that is clearly shown below, you act as if the Lords fire in scripture presented below is non-existent, while you promote a Zionist Millennial Kingdom on this earth, that will never take place.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For us [the church] it is simple, Jesus comes to take us home, He comes in the clouds and every eye shall see Him. We will reign with Him from Heaven.

This is not the end of the world for He comes to reign on earth as prophesied a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity as shown in Micah .4. He will reign on Earth through Israel.

He cant see this, Since he does not understand the abrahamic covenant and everything about Gods plans for the nation of Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

hold guy, Jesus literally left Isreal and is returning to that very location that is what the bible says. The coming of the Lord will not be duplicated. Every Eye shall see HIm and cry out because of HIM. There will be no doubt as to who is the King of kings and Lord of lords on that great and dreadful day of the Lord.

Big Smiles!

I never stated Jesus Christ wasn't returning to earth, specifically the Mount of Olives as you claim.

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by his fire, this has been posted (Two Times) in the last two pages, did you miss it, or shall I post it again?

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

He cant see this, Since he does not understand the abrahamic covenant and everything about Gods plans for the nation of Israel.

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Truth7t7]

I suppose if we understand that the nations have now become Israel

Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body,

Then the Tribal members likewise are polyglot - from the world.
I guess Dan who dwells at sea is not considered land-based, not of the nations.

I don't know, just throwing it out there

Yes the Church is the Israel of God, the twelve tribes scattered abroad

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the promises of Christ made to abraham have not been fulfilled. They are eternal promises. They exist today. All of them.

The church is not in the land of Israel living in peace because they obey Gods commands because the promise was not given to them. The church is not threatened to have their high places and land destroyed and they scattered all over the earth because of their sins. Because that promise was not made to them.

The user who keeps saying Abrahams promises are fulfilled needs to change his name. It is misleading

 

[Rosemaryx]

And he will set up his kingdom. as all nations worship him as king.

I am learning about these things , the Millennium Kingdom , and it is like a jig-saw to me lol...God is not done with Israel , far from it...
I am also learning a lot from you and @kaylagrl in this thread...
...xox...

 

[Truth7t7]

The church is not in the land of Israel living in peace because they obey Gods commands because the promise was not given to them. The church is not threatened to have their high places and land destroyed and they scattered all over the earth because of their sins. Because that promise was not made to them.

The user who keeps saying Abrahams promises are fulfilled needs to change his name. It is misleading

Living in peace?

3,000 missiles from Hamas later, and counting

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am learning about these things , the Millennium Kingdom , and it is like a jig-saw to me lol...God is not done with Israel , far from it...
I am also learning a lot from you and @kaylagrl in this thread...
...xox...

A Jigsaw puzzle that doesn't exist

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by his fire, there wont be a physical earth to have a Millennial Kingdom on, don't be deceived

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[surfer14]

Yes, the Jews are still blinded for the most part. Some have come to Christ. My mothers neighbor is a Messianic Jew. But I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He still has promises to be fulfilled to them.

Kayla,
Would it be accurate to say that your view of "the holocaust" has played an instrumental role in how you interpret the Bible? That's kind of what I'm gathering based on your post. Would you guess that many people who subscribe to your views regarding Israel are also influenced by a similar view of the "holocaust"?

 

[Rosemaryx]

A Jigsaw puzzle that doesn't exist

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by his fire, there wont be a physical earth to have a Millennial Kingdom on, don't be deceived

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

That is not so...
The Holy Spirit has and is showing me that there will be a Millenial Kingdom , and He is teaching me through His word about those who will be in it , and what happens while we serve our Lord...

It is very sad indeed that you have not been shown these things , but I am not here to convince you of these truths , only the Holy Spirit can break you from whoever has deceived you...

And yes , the puzzle for me is coming together the more the Holy Spirit teaches me , not a puzzle to Him , but to me Amen...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Humm, something I had always heard in sermons and saw in Scripture . Can you expand on that a little more?

Briefly,
Every type of antichrist (The seed of serpent) -in prophecy is a foreign oppressor.
Pharaoh, Hiram,-The King of Tyre, Sennacharib, Nebuchadnezzar, Gog, Daniel's little Horn. The Beast out of the sea.

I believe he will be a gentile invader. It looks (in prophecy) like a foreign military invasion from the north.
The Israeli nation might make some sort of land/peace agreement with him as they did with Arafat.
But he will break it, as Arafat did.
An antichrist religion already sits on top of the temple mount. Literally denying Christ in writing. The Jews don't want it.

The region of Gog has been posturing & becoming braver this decade. They want Jerusalem. We could be a generation away yet
but everything seems to lining up geopolitically with the Biblical narrative. The countries named in judgement are all puffed up.

As you know, there is in the Revelation prophecy, a false prophet figure who endorses the anti-christ.
I suppose it's possible for him to be ethnically Jewish but I don't think the invader of the land himself will be Jewish.

 

[OldSage]

Briefly,
Every type of antichrist (The seed of serpent) -in prophecy is a foreign oppressor.
Pharaoh, Hiram,-The King of Tyre, Sennacharib, Nebuchadnezzar, Gog, Daniel's little Horn. The Beast out of the sea.

I believe he will be a gentile invader. It looks (in prophecy) like a foreign military invasion from the north.
The Israeli nation might make some sort of land/peace agreement with him as they did with Arafat.
But he will break it, as Arafat did.
An antichrist religion already sits on top of the temple mount. Literally denying Christ in writing. The Jews don't want it.

The region of Gog has been posturing & becoming braver this decade. They want Jerusalem. We could be a generation away yet
but everything seems to lining up geopolitically with the Biblical narrative. The countries named in judgement are all puffed up.

There is in the Revelation prophecy, a false prophet figure who endorses the anti-christ. I suppose it's possible for him to be ethnically Jewish
but I don't think the invader of the land himself will be Jewish.

Go on...please...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am learning about these things , the Millennium Kingdom , and it is like a jig-saw to me lol...God is not done with Israel , far from it...
I am also learning a lot from you and @kaylagrl in this thread...
...xox...

If you have any questions ask..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Living in peace?

3,000 missiles from Hamas later, and counting

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Dude please back off, You rmaking yourself look bad because you are so desperate to prove yourself right you can not understand what anyone is saying. This is the reason I do not respond to your nonsense. It wreaks of desperation

I never said they were living in peace now did I? They wont have peace unless they are doing what God asked.

It would do you will to study leviticus 26. what is happening to Israel today is exactly what God said would happen. His promises and his word never fails