TONGUES TODAY

[Truth7t7]

I agree 100%.....maybe even 101% if that is possible!

Remember.........for there to be a 7 year peace treaty, there must be a WAR.

I do not know if this is the one......I kind of doubt it, because Russia has to be involved and they just may be sooon according to Ezekiel 38.

I see the king of the north being Assyria/Syria, being the one to fulfill the time of the gentiles in Jerusalem, will they be supported by Russia, that is currently in their corner, possibly?

You see the woman in the wilderness eating manna from heaven, as in the days of coming out of Egypt

Micah 7:10-17KJV
10 Then she that is mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the Lord thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets.
11 In the day that thy walls are to be built, in that day shall the decree be far removed.
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I did!

I saw.

I did it.

I read the Bible.

I left that denomination!

Amen! Even though I only had two occasions of "tongues," God Protected
HIS New-Born babe In CHRIST. My struggles were in the watered-downed
traditions of a couple of denominations.

Studied God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, And left them behind!

Major, Be Blessed! Precious friend, looking forward to:

Seeing you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

 

[Truth7t7]

I see that along with not correctly understanding the Scriptures you also do not understand the word FRAUD which according to Webster's dictionary is.......
"Wrongful deception with the intent to gain personally or financially."

Have I asked you for money????
Do you actually think that I am going to gain something by posting truth from the Word of God????

1 Corth. 13:8....
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."

How do I "gain" anything from that my dear brother?

The truth is, your claim that the gift of tongues has ceased is false, and I testify before you I have received the gift that is the same today, do you believe I'm lying or deceived?

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Major]

No , but the pentecostal/ charismatic teaching about speaking in tongues is.

In the 2nd century, in the almost churches the gift signs where not existing anymore.
That why the montanism ( as the pentecostal movement today) was seen first as from God.
Of course we will not come to an agreement.
But I do not attacing you personal for your believe.
Till today you could not show me that the pentecostal teaching Was taught anywhere in the NT ore churchhistory to Christians.
And even Paul taught, that speaking in tongues is not given to every believer. What is in opposit to the teaching that speaking in tongues is a sign that someone is filled/powered/ baptised with the Holy Spirit.

Corrrect.

Having been a part of the denomination I can tell you and it is easily verified on the web that the Pentecostal logic is:

1. All followers of Jesus should be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
2. The initial physical evidence of this baptism is speaking in tongues.
3. Therefore, all believers should speak in tongues.

We were taught to ask on door to door visits .... "Are you saved, WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES"?

The implication is obvious. IF you are born again YOU WILL SPEAK IN TONGUES!

Pentecostals are so certain of this logic that many consider it to be a key teaching of the Christian faith. For example, the Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world, has 16 Fundamental Truths. Number eight is this:.........
“The baptism of believers in the Holy Spirit is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance.”

Do you see any problems with this logic?

 

[Major]

Amen! Even though I only had two occasions of "tongues," God Protected
HIS New-Born babe In CHRIST. My struggles were in the watered-downed
traditions of a couple of denominations.

Studied God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, And left them behind!

Major, Be Blessed! Precious friend, looking forward to:

Seeing you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

What a blessing! After the personal attacks from CS1 here lately, your post was a breath of fresh air. THANK YOU brother.

All I do now is read and post God's Word.

 

[Truth7t7]

No , but the pentecostal/ charismatic teaching about speaking in tongues is.

In the 2nd century, in the almost churches the gift signs where not existing anymore.
That why the montanism ( as the pentecostal movement today) was seen first as from God.
Of course we will not come to an agreement.
But I do not attacing you personal for your believe.
Till today you could not show me that the pentecostal teaching Was taught anywhere in the NT ore churchhistory to Christians.
And even Paul taught, that speaking in tongues is not given to every believer. What is in opposit to the teaching that speaking in tongues is a sign that someone is filled/powered/ baptised with the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:22KJV
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[Major]

The truth is, your claim that the gift of tongues has ceased is false, and I testify before you I have received the gift that is the same today, do you believe I'm lying or deceived?

Jesus Is The Lord

I KNOW with all my heart that you will believe what you want and since YOU just confessed what you want to do...YOU will do exactly what you want to do.

Please do not place yourself on such a high pedestal that you do not think that you can be deceived.

 

[Truth7t7]

Corrrect.

Having been a part of the denomination I can tell you and it is easily verified on the web that the Pentecostal logic is:

1. All followers of Jesus should be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
2. The initial physical evidence of this baptism is speaking in tongues.
3. Therefore, all believers should speak in tongues.

We were taught to ask on door to door visits .... "Are you saved, WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES"?

The implication is obvious. IF you are born again YOU WILL SPEAK IN TONGUES!

Pentecostals are so certain of this logic that many consider it to be a key teaching of the Christian faith. For example, the Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world, has 16 Fundamental Truths. Number eight is this:.........
“The baptism of believers in the Holy Spirit is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance.”

Do you see any problems with this logic?

I fully agree that teaching everyone must speak in tongues as a sign of salvation is heresy in my opinion

And yes I have seen this taught and enforced in Pentecostal Churches

 

[Major]

1 Corinthians 14:22KJV
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1 Corthinians 13:8...........
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away

 

[Major]

I fully agree that teaching everyone must speak in tongues as a sign of salvation is heresy in my opinion

And yes I have seen this taught and enforced in Pentecostal Churches

May I ask you if you know what the 16 Fundamental Truth are in the Assembly of God and did you know that they are still taught today???

Allow me to post it for you and save you the time. Pentecostals are so certain of this logic that many consider it to be a key teaching of the Christian faith. For example, the Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world, has 16 Fundamentals and Number eight is this: “
The baptism of believers in the Holy Spirit is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance.

 

[Truth7t7]

I KNOW with all my heart that you will believe what you want and since YOU just confessed what you want to do...YOU will do exactly what you want to do.

Please do not place yourself on such a high pedestal that you do not think that you can be deceived.

Smiles, I received the gift several years ago, and it's the very same today, and I'm not deceived

The only deception is, the Baptist denominations false teaching that the gift ceased with the Apostles, don't think that you can't be deceived

In Love

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Major]

1 Corinthians 14:22KJV
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Correct...For unbelievers, then, the gift of tongues is a negative sign.

 

[Major]

Smiles, I received the gift several years ago, and it's the very same today, and I'm not deceived

The only deception is, the Baptist denominations false teaching that the gift ceased with the Apostles, don't think that you can't be deceived

In Love

Jesus Is The Lord

I am a Southern Baptist by choice.

Educated in a different faith.

Would you care to respond to Mark 16:14-16........
"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Dosen't the Scriptures say that Jesus commissioned the ELEVEN APOSTLES and gave them the SIGN GIFTS?

 

[Truth7t7]

I am a Southern Baptist by choice.

Educated in a different faith.

Would you care to respond to Mark 16:14-16........
"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Dosen't the Scriptures say that Jesus commissioned the ELEVEN APOSTLES and gave them the SIGN GIFTS?

I have openly testified to the forum I have received the gift of tongues several years ago, its the very same today

Will you try to convince the blind man that was healed instantly, that he really isnt seeing?

Yes the gift is in misuse in Churches and many are fraudsters, however there are untold thousands that have received the same as myself, and the gift is alive and present today

It's my hope and prayer, that the Baptist blind man will see

 

[Major]

I see the king of the north being Assyria/Syria, being the one to fulfill the time of the gentiles in Jerusalem, will they be supported by Russia, that is currently in their corner, possibly?

You see the woman in the wilderness eating manna from heaven, as in the days of coming out of Egypt

Micah 7:10-17KJV
10 Then she that is mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the Lord thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets.
11 In the day that thy walls are to be built, in that day shall the decree be far removed.
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

Yes, that is very possible. It is also clear that Gog and Magog (Russia) are involved. Syria receives its military equipment from Iran and Russia.

In 1972, it was Syria through which the RUSSIANS ran several tanks at Israel. It was then that Israel called President Nixion and asked for help.

I have been told that at that point Mr. Nixon told Russia that if those tanks crossed the Israeli border and attacked, we (USA) would take them out with a nuclear attack. THAT is how close we have come. They retreated and Israel went on to win that war.

Do you thing Mr. Biden has the ability to do that today???

 

[Aidan1]

Corrrect.

Having been a part of the denomination I can tell you and it is easily verified on the web that the Pentecostal logic is:

1. All followers of Jesus should be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
2. The initial physical evidence of this baptism is speaking in tongues.
3. Therefore, all believers should speak in tongues.

We were taught to ask on door to door visits .... "Are you saved, WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES"?

The implication is obvious. IF you are born again YOU WILL SPEAK IN TONGUES!

Pentecostals are so certain of this logic that many consider it to be a key teaching of the Christian faith. For example, the Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world, has 16 Fundamental Truths. Number eight is this:.........
“The baptism of believers in the Holy Spirit is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance.”

Do you see any problems with this logic?

Yes, that says I am not baptised with the Holy Spirit. And also non Christian I personal met in my 30 years of beeing child of God is.
But I know I am, and I got also one of the spiritual gifts, when I became child of God.

But to be fair, i must say that some teaches that with this baptising is an separate baptism meant and call it filled ore empowered with the Holy Spirit. But the problem behind is the same, because it excludes all non charismatic/ pentecostal believers.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, that says I am not baptised with the Holy Spirit. And also non Christian I personal met in my 30 years of beeing child of God is.
But I know I am, and I got also one of the spiritual gifts, when I became child of God.

But to be fair, i must say that some teaches that with this baptising is an separate baptism meant and call it filled ore empowered with the Holy Spirit. But the problem behind is the same, because it excludes all non charismatic/ pentecostal believers.

Aidan, are you in the Baptist denomination there in Germany?

 

[Major]

I have openly testified to the forum I have received the gift of tongues several years ago, its the very same today

Will you try to convince the blind man that was healed instantly, that he really isnt seeing?

Yes the gift is in misuse in Churches and many are fraudsters, however there are untold thousands that have received the same as myself, and the gift is alive and present today

It's my hope and prayer, that the Baptist blind man will see

Brother........I was where you are at about 55 years ago! I thought exactly what you are thinking today.

I will not try to convince you of anything as I have already said. You have the ability to choose just as does everyone else.

NO ONE has to believe anything I say which is why I post the Scriptures.

1 Corinthins 13:8-10........
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

Without a doubt...those gifts will end. THAT is what Scriptures say.

The only question you have to ask is.......what is the PERFECT in verse #10.

Some same it is Jesus Christ. Could be. But then that answers the question...since He has come then those gifts ended.

Some say that it is heaven. BUT READ THE SCRIPTURE!. The PERFECT IS COMEING. Heaven is something we GO TO. so the problem for you still exists.

Then there is the only PERFECT thing that can apply. THE WORD OF GOD! When we received the written Word of God, and it was canonized...we then had the ONLY PERFECT thing that the Scriptures could have intended. THE BIBLE.

 

[Major]

Yes, that says I am not baptised with the Holy Spirit. And also non Christian I personal met in my 30 years of beeing child of God is.
But I know I am, and I got also one of the spiritual gifts, when I became child of God.

But to be fair, i must say that some teaches that with this baptising is an separate baptism meant and call it filled ore empowered with the Holy Spirit. But the problem behind is the same, because it excludes all non charismatic/ pentecostal believers.

However.....the Scriptures teach us that we receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the moment of conversion.

 

[Aidan1]

Aidan, are you in the Baptist denomination there in Germany?

No, I was manly in menonite brethren church, but now in a russian german church. Which is calling Baptist church, but have nothing to do with the genuine baptistchurch in germany. I was also on bibleschool where the students came from different christian Background. The church I am now, symphasies with the charismatic teachings, but dont practise them.