Gaza

[mailmandan]

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[Ruby123]

 

[tanakh]

I've been following every video... And it is quite sad... I can imagine how terrified the people who are trap in those countries... I am thinking of the children and the olds...the poor and everyone who just want to live without those rockets flying in the sky 🙁

It may not sound very Macho Male to some but when I see and hear the reports from Gaza it makes me want to weep. An example is the Woman whose Teenage Son is seriously injured in Hospital. Her Husband Son and Her Sons friend went to a Market to buy some clothes to celebrate 'Eid a sort of Christmas following Ramadan. The Market was hit by an Israeli missile. Her Husband and Friend were killed. Her Son knows that his Father is dead but keeps asking her why his best friend whom he had known from early childhood hasn't come to see him. She can't bring herself to tell him that his Friend is dead.

 

[Kireina]

It may not sound very Macho Male to some but when I see and hear the reports from Gaza it makes me want to weep. An example is the Woman whose Teenage Son is seriously injured in Hospital. Her Husband Son and Her Sons friend went to a Market to buy some clothes to celebrate 'Eid a sort of Christmas following Ramadan. The Market was hit by an Israeli missile. Her Husband and Friend were killed. Her Son knows that his Father is dead but keeps asking her why his best friend whom he had known from early childhood hasn't come to see him. She can't bring herself to tell him that his Friend is dead.

Totally Heartbreaking sir...🙁

 

[ChoirLoft]

So I got really no where to ask this but does anyone know what's really happening in the middle east. From Cbn says Israel is being targeted and Palestinians are the cause and (evil as most things cbn sporadically disagrees with) the thing is Cbn is at the point that the main stream media is to me, I take what they say with a very large grain of salt (I have yet to find a media source that is untouched by sensationalism and severe biases, I'm starting to think they are extinct atm) However I'm hearing from sources in the Palestinian areas its straight up genocide being launched by Israel. There isnt much I can go off of other than potentially biased news sources and unfortunately it often interferes with what's actually happening. If Israel is perpetrating genocide, what do we Christian's do? I know we are supposed to support Israel, but can we still support it (if this genocide is real and isnt inflated propaganda which once again I have no way of knowing the truth rn as Facebook will send you to Facebook lockdown the second you interfere with the far left) If its actually committing this? I know the situation is incredibly complicated and it's been decades in the making, but is there a way we can support Israel without supporting such extreme actions? 🤔

If we are to believe Palestinian lies, the issue at hand is real estate. Who owns what and who has a right to possess it.

Palestinian squatters argue they've been sitting on the land for a thousand years and have a right to it. What did they do with the land when they alone occupied it? Nothing. Nothing at all. When Jews arrived they turned it into a garden in the desert. Palestinians see richness they did not create and want to steal it.

The real estate argument is as old as the modern State of Israel. It's older if we are to consider scripture. Just as old and perhaps older are the promises God gave to Israel - that they would own the land, occupy it and make it blossom. It is a good land because it is theirs and because God gave it to them. Both the Bible and the Muslim Qur'an testify to it.

"The Lord appeared to Abraham and said, 'To your offspring will I give this land" (Genesis 12:7)

Then say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around, and bring them to their own land. - Ezekiel 37:21

And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern lands and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon (pharaoh) and his people had wrought and what they built. - Qur’an 7.137

And when Musa (Moses) said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations. O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not on your backs for then you will turn back losers. - Our’an 5.20-21

And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. - Qur’an 17.104

And surely they purposed to unsettle you from the land that they might expel you from it, and in that case they will not tarry behind you but a little. - Qur’an 17.76 (prophecy of attempts to remove Jews from Palestine)

Not long ago I was doing a study of Islam and the Qur'an. I read the book from cover to cover. One day I encountered a group of four Muslims and asked them a question about the Qur'an. We talked a while and at the end of it they said, "you should not read that book (the Qur'an). It's too confusing."

True story.

Unfortunately it isn't only Christians who do not read their own holy book. Apparently Muslims don't do it either.

Ignorance hatred and Palestinian opportunism is the root of the present conflict. It has nothing at all to do with respect of God, His Word or even the statements of Mohammad [pbuh]. Somebody wants what somebody else has and this is the true nature of murder thievery and lies.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Market was hit by an Israeli missile.

The real question is "Why was the market hit by an Israeli missile?" First of all Israel is making every effort to avoid civilian casualties, but that does not mean that missiles will not miss their marks. But the "why" goes back to the evil leaders of Hamas, who have no regard for the Palestinians. If they did, they would not have initiated this conflict, knowing full well that Israel would be compelled to deal with it.

And it goes even further back to Iran, which is funding Hamas. And still it goes right back to evil Joe Biden (backed by Obama), who wants Iran and Hamas to succeed in destroying Israel. Otherwise he would not have opened that can of worms. So if you want to hold someone responsible for war crimes, ask Israeli Special Forces to arrest Biden and have him tried at the Hague.

Everyone was gung ho about arresting and trying the Serbian generals for their war crimes and atrocities. So how come no one is going after Obama, Biden, and the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran?

Israel is simply doing what is must to defend its people from unprovoked attacks. But they had better finish this job thoroughly so that Hamas cannot ever resume its shenanigans. Then go after the leaders of Iran. It is laughable to see everyone clamoring for a cease-fire as soon as Israel gains the upper hand. If Hamas had the upper hand, they would all be cheering the terrorists on to continue inflicting damage on Israel.

 

[kaylagrl]

So I got really no where to ask this but does anyone know what's really happening in the middle east. From Cbn says Israel is being targeted and Palestinians are the cause and (evil as most things cbn sporadically disagrees with) the thing is Cbn is at the point that the main stream media is to me, I take what they say with a very large grain of salt (I have yet to find a media source that is untouched by sensationalism and severe biases, I'm starting to think they are extinct atm) However I'm hearing from sources in the Palestinian areas its straight up genocide being launched by Israel.

I don't mean to sound rude here, but no this is not the truth. Israel did not attack first. Israel is defending their homeland. Hamas are terrorists.

There isnt much I can go off of other than potentially biased news sources and unfortunately it often interferes with what's actually happening. If Israel is perpetrating genocide, what do we Christian's do? I know we are supposed to support Israel, but can we still support it (if this genocide is real and isnt inflated propaganda which once again I have no way of knowing the truth rn as Facebook will send you to Facebook lockdown the second you interfere with the far left) If its actually committing this? I know the situation is incredibly complicated and it's been decades in the making, but is there a way we can support Israel without supporting such extreme actions? 🤔

It's utterly untrue. If Palestinians, so called, were suffering genocide, they wouldn't keep attacking Israel first. They'd mind their own business and hope Israel would leave them alone. This isn't the case. There is a long history, as you say. There is also a lot of propaganda so be careful who you listen to.

 

[kaylagrl]

You said,
"I don't think genocide should be committed to anyone."
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I was in Rwanda...some years ago.
- Visited 'Kigali Genocide Memorial Museum'..
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Some Christians were involved in the Rwandan Genocide.

Yes, I saw the movie, very sad. But not the case here. Israel is defending it's homeland. Hamas are terrorists.

 

[Kojikun]

I don't mean to sound rude here, but no this is not the truth. Israel did not attack first. Israel is defending their homeland. Hamas are terrorists.




It's utterly untrue. If Palestinians, so called, were suffering genocide, they wouldn't keep attacking Israel first. They'd mind their own business and hope Israel would leave them alone. This isn't the case. There is a long history, as you say. There is also a lot of propaganda so be careful who you listen to.

I appreciate all the responses. Yes it's much more complicated than the media is letting on. That's nothing new. There was a ceasefire, it's a start I suppose. I hope it's long enough for people to get the heck out of there before it starts again. Wishful thinking I suppose 🤷‍♂️

 

[kaylagrl]

I appreciate all the responses. Yes it's much more complicated than the media is letting on. That's nothing new. There was a ceasefire, it's a start I suppose. I hope it's long enough for people to get the heck out of there before it starts again. Wishful thinking I suppose 🤷‍♂️

Yes, I do hope it holds. But as the Bible says, there will be wars and rumors of wars as we come to the last days.

 

[VickyK]

So I got really no where to ask this but does anyone know what's really happening in the middle east. From Cbn says Israel is being targeted and Palestinians are the cause and (evil as most things cbn sporadically disagrees with) the thing is Cbn is at the point that the main stream media is to me, I take what they say with a very large grain of salt (I have yet to find a media source that is untouched by sensationalism and severe biases, I'm starting to think they are extinct atm) However I'm hearing from sources in the Palestinian areas its straight up genocide being launched by Israel. There isnt much I can go off of other than potentially biased news sources and unfortunately it often interferes with what's actually happening. If Israel is perpetrating genocide, what do we Christian's do? I know we are supposed to support Israel, but can we still support it (if this genocide is real and isnt inflated propaganda which once again I have no way of knowing the truth rn as Facebook will send you to Facebook lockdown the second you interfere with the far left) If its actually committing this? I know the situation is incredibly complicated and it's been decades in the making, but is there a way we can support Israel without supporting such extreme actions? 🤔

Genocide is commanded by God in Deuteronomy. It is God's will.

 

[kaylagrl]

Genocide is commanded by God in Deuteronomy. It is God's will.

That was the OT, we're under grace now.

 

[VickyK]

That was the OT, we're under grace now.

Explain, please.

 

[kaylagrl]

Explain, please.

Does God strike us dead for our sin? No, that was OT, because of Christ's death, we are now under grace.

 

[VickyK]

Does God strike us dead for our sin? No, that was OT, because of Christ's death, we are now under grace.

Who's 'we'?

 

[Kojikun]

Genocide is commanded by God in Deuteronomy. It is God's will.

In the old testament sure. But I dont think he demands it every time it happens. And as Kayla said it was old testament.

 

[VickyK]

In the old testament sure. But I dont think he demands it every time it happens. And as Kayla said it was old testament.

As far as God is concerned, the messiah cannot arrive until Israel exists. Israel is a place where there are no gentiles, only Jews.

 

[ChoirLoft]

THE REAL ISSUE HERE is Palestinian insistence upon the vote.

Demonstrations war and propaganda are meant to destroy Israel. It has never been admitted that Israel has a right to exist.

The root of the issue is the Arab desire and design to destroy Israel at any cost and by any means. Tactics have changed over the years. The method of choice today is Palestinian vote.

In order to vote as a citizen of Israel, one must be confirmed as a Jew (by descent from one's mother).

Today there are more Arab Muslims living within the boundaries of the State of Israel than Jewish citizens. Israeli law allows them to live work and exercise their faith as long as it's done peacefully. What's the problem?

The problem is that Arab desires to destroy Israel cannot be attained by force of arms. The method of choice is the vote. If Palestinians are allowed to vote it wouldn't take long at all for Israel to be voted into oblivion by popular ballot.

The media promotes Arab assertions because of their influence over oil. One way or the other, Arab attacks upon Israel have always been promoted by overt war or by threat of oil restriction. Today Israel is being accused of apartheid, racism, when in fact Palestinians have the same rights and privileges as anyone else - except for the vote.

The root issue is the destruction of Israel by Arabs. The current method is to demand voting rights for Palestinians.

Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[ChoirLoft]

As far as God is concerned, the messiah cannot arrive until Israel exists. Israel is a place where there are no gentiles, only Jews.

There are lots of gentiles (non-Jews) in Israel. Even in ancient times gentiles living in Israel were quite numerous.

Divine timing of the arrival of ha-Meshiach is hidden in Jewish LAW. Faux church prophets have been making money on their guesses for decades. The Annointed One will arrive at the appropriate time. The State of Israel has a right to exist, which is the current debate among anti-Semitic Palestinians.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[ChoirLoft]

Genocide is commanded by God in Deuteronomy. It is God's will.

God NEVER commanded genocide as we understand the term.

Genocide is the absolute total extermination of a racial group. For instance, the United States once promoted genocide as a matter of official law and policy.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian." - US General Phillip Sheridan

Today we salute and admire the flag that was carried into battle against innocent Native Americans under which women and children were brutally murdered. Even as we proclaim ourselves guiltless of the innocent blood of millions we accuse others WHO DO THE SAME.

Adolf Hitler admired the United States policy of racial genocide and modeled the German legal mandate for it after our own.

The Bible gave reasons other than ethnicity for killing. Those reasons were religious in nature.

God did not want pagan influences to infect His people Israel. Most human societies kill because some group is racially different from their own. Religion doesn't enter into the equation. The Bible outlined a reason for the killing (which was the common practice of all nations at the time, btw), gave specific reasons as to how it was to be done (not for private gain, which again was the practice of all nations including the United States), and gave limits as to when it was to stop.

But self-righteous Americans conveniently forget that we are as guilty (perhaps more so) of genocide as any other nation on earth. To this day, we murder and lie and steal from others so as to promote our own hegemony throughout the planet. Its justified under the generalization of international trade supremacy, but its still murder and thievery and lies.

Is it right for Americans to do it as long as our flag waves over the bloody aftermath of our aggression? Is it appropriate for us to cast aspersions upon ancient Israel as told in the Bible as though we were without SIN - to compare modern hypocrisy against ancient religious zeal?

If it was indeed evil for them is it not evil for us as well? Why then do we proudly salute our flag and conveniently ignore the war crimes we commit under its stripes and stars? To accuse the Bible of hypocrisy is to identify it in ourselves.

But we are Americans and we can do no wrong...... all our lies prove it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...