Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Phoneman-777]

But God has made it clear overcoming is BY Jesus not by keeping the Law.

The will of God is to love Him with all. and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said doing this is the whole Law.

You say God has no patience to hear anyone whining how " WE CAN'T KEEP THE LAW"

But you fail you address the penalty by God for Breaking IT. Without Jesus you keep nothing. Without the blood of Jesus and repentance, You have nothing. You are under judgment because of the Law from what you have already done.

And not breaking a sweat about temptation?

FYI Jesus was tempted, being tempted is going to happen.

It is not a sin to be tempted, it is a sin to be a willful participant. When you have the lust in your heart that draws you to sin. Obeying the law will not help one's, sinful heart. Jesus said that in Matthew 5

Ahhh, so you think "salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of my sin remaining in me".

That means if Jesus comes in the clouds and finds three men gang raping a woman and one of them prayed the sinner's prayer and "believes" he is saved and is "trusting" that Jesus overcame his gang rape habit...well, he's going up in the clouds to meet Jesus while the other two are "left behind", right?

Talk about turning "grace" into "disgrace" LOL

 

[throughfaith]

Have you any idea how stupid it sounds to suggest that Paul didn't mean "overcoming sin" when he said "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me"?

Jesus Himself said "all things are possible to him that believeth" just before he drove out a DEMON from a boy, but this same Jesus is not able to drive out from you a bad habit???

AND HERE LIES THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE: ​

If the OSAS crowd actually believed, "all things" would be possible including obedience to God's commandments...so why do they need a OSAS License to Sin? Because they don't believe!!!

I'm happy to discuss what verses you have that explicitly say what you believe . I have verses that explicitly say what I believe. Eph 1.13 for example.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You are accountable for what you understand others are accountable for what they understand belief your bar of judgement is for you

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:

and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭

faith works in the individual it doesn’t work for me to try to hold you accountable for what I know . It’s impossible for anyone to judge another except for Jesus because he only knows what they actually understand

we share the gospel and as people receive it they begin to be planted and grow as they are able and as God makes them able

What's so hard to understand about James telling us that if we keep the whole Ten Commandments but break one, we're guilty of all: that if we don't commit adultery, but kill, we become guilty of breaking the entire Ten? Then, he says we are to speak and act as people who know we have to stand in judgment for what we do.

This is not rocket science or even the new the science which teaches how a man can get pregnant. This is elementary stuff...and the day is coming when those who refused to let go of their sinful habits in preparation of that judgment will be as those who banged on the door of the Ark with all their might and voice to be let in, but were horrifically drowned with the rest of that rebellious generation.

 

[throughfaith]

If you think you are succeeding while at the same time teaching others we don't have to keep the commandments Jesus spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger in stone, then your spiritual condition is the worst possible one to be in.

Jesus said those like you who teach such satanic doctrine on Earth are called "the least" by those in the kingdom of heaven watching you do it. (Matthew 5:17-19 KJV)

That verse is before the cross ,still under the law .

 

[Phoneman-777]

I disagree, the word of God clearly teaches eternal security, no need to run about the bush, I'm set in my observation of scripture

I disagree that the seal of the Holy Spirit is the Law of God or observance of the 10 commandments

The scripture below clearly teaches that a believer who breaks the commandments will still be least in the Kingdom, shedding light on your claim

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You're interpreting Matthew 5:19 KJV to mean, "Well, my lawbreaking, insurrectionist butt might be "the least' when I get there, but at least I'll be there!"

That is so asinine, it's almost unworthy of response, because over and over we're told lawbreakers are NOT getting in (Revelation 22:11-15 KJV)...but since so many are taken in by it:

The verse means when the angels in heaven up there see all these Antinomianists and the OSAS License to Sin crowd down here refusing to obey, saying we don't have to obey, and declaring it's a sin if we try to obey (yes, this is said at the highest levels of Evangelical academia), they in heaven will call them "the least".

 

[Truth7t7]

Those who break the Ten Commandments love neither God nor their neighbors and have only the belief of trembling demons, which they will join in the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV; Romans 6:16 KJV).

Your words in my opinion are "heretical", in total disregard of the provision of Gods grace regarding sin and repentance

If a believer sinfully covets his neighbors house, car, wealth, etc and ask to be forgiven, they are forgiven as scripture teaches below

You have passed eternal judgement in the Lake Of Fire, in complete disregard of Gods provision below, in repentance and forgiveness, are you "God" or of the sect of the "Pharisees"

1 John 2:1KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[throughfaith]

You're interpreting Matthew 5:19 KJV to mean, "Well, my lawbreaking, insurrectionist butt might be "the least' when I get there, but at least I'll be there!"

That is so asinine, it's almost unworthy of response, because over and over we're told lawbreakers are NOT getting in (Revelation 22:11-15 KJV)...but since so many are taken in by it:

The verse means when the angels in heaven up there see all these Antinomianists and the OSAS License to Sin crowd down here refusing to obey, saying we don't have to obey, and declaring it's a sin if we try to obey (yes, this is said at the highest levels of Evangelical academia), they in heaven will call them "the least".

No Christians were in the audience in Matt 5 .

 

[Phoneman-777]

No Christians were in the audience in Matt 5 .

How do you know there were no hypocrites and backsliders there with the Saints? Need I remind you that Judas was right there in the inner circle?

 

[Truth7t7]

You're interpreting Matthew 5:19 KJV to mean, "Well, my lawbreaking, insurrectionist butt might be "the least' when I get there, but at least I'll be there!"

That is so asinine, it's almost unworthy of response, because over and over we're told lawbreakers are NOT getting in (Revelation 22:11-15 KJV)...but since so many are taken in by it:

The verse means when the angels in heaven up there see all these Antinomianists and the OSAS License to Sin crowd down here refusing to obey, saying we don't have to obey, and declaring it's a sin if we try to obey (yes, this is said at the highest levels of Evangelical academia), they in heaven will call them "the least".

Law Breakers Are Not Getting In?

Tell that to the woman at the well caught in Adultery, guilty of death by stoning, forgiven by Jesus Christ my Lord!

As previously stated, your views in my opinion are heretical, if a person was to covet his neighbors house, car, wealth, and ask for forgiveness they are forgiven

You have passed eternal judgement in the Lake Of Fire, in complete disregard of Gods provision below, in repentance and forgiveness, are you "God" or of the sect of the "Pharisees"

1 John 2:1KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Phoneman-777]

And yet you have no verses that explicitly say what you believe ( for today) . Which is interesting isn't it ?

I post verses, include hyperlinks to make it easy to see them, and you still ain't happy

 

[Runningman]

Notice no one is claiming they have a license to sin. The Bible never says anyone has a license to sin, but that accusation keeps getting thrown around nearly every time God's grace, mercy, and forgiveness is mentioned for those in Christ. It's really pretty sad. I wonder what God thinks about that.

 

[throughfaith]

How do you know there were no hypocrites and backsliders there with the Saints? Need I remind you that Judas was right there in the inner circle?

The sealing of the Holy Spirit only begins after Acts 2 . I believe you could lose salvation prior to this .

 

[throughfaith]

I post verses, include hyperlinks to make it easy to see them, and you still ain't happy

I said ' explicitly ' . Your assuming the isolated verses you quote go with the explanation you give .

 

[Dino246]

Notice no one is claiming they have a license to sin. The Bible never says anyone has a license to sin, but that accusation keeps getting thrown around nearly every time God's grace, mercy, and forgiveness is mentioned for those in Christ. It's really pretty sad. I wonder what God thinks about that.

That's black-and-white thinking for you. It's the fallacy of the excluded middle, writ large.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Law Breakers Are Not Getting In?

Tell that to the woman at the well caught in Adultery, guilty of death by stoning, forgiven by Jesus Christ my Lord!

You mean the woman who acknowledge Jesus as her Lord and was told she was forgiven and to go and sin no more? They are getting in by the billions...it will not be so for the Presumptuous Man.

As previously stated, your views in my opinion are heretical, if a person was to covet his neighbors house, car, wealth, and ask for forgiveness they are forgiven

That is correct., so what's the problem?

You have passed eternal judgement in the Lake Of Fire, in complete disregard of Gods provision below, in repentance and forgiveness, are you "God" or of the sect of the "Pharisees"

1 John 2:1KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Point to the doll where all those Biblical warnings about presumptuous sin hurt you.

 

[Phoneman-777]

If a person continues in unrepentant sin, its apparent the person was never saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit to begin with

Lip service from the wolf in sheeps clothing

You have no right to judge whether a person is saved or not by their behavior. Who do you think you are, God?

There are many verses which teach saved people will be lost, but you're just going to sit down in Christ's judgment seat and take His place like the Pope claims to take his place when it comes to forgiveness, right? Both of you are ANTICHRISTS.

 

[throughfaith]

You mean the woman who acknowledge Jesus as her Lord and was told she was forgiven and to go and sin no more? They are getting in by the billions...it will not be so for the Presumptuous Man.
That is correct., so what's the problem?
Point to the doll where all those Biblical warnings about presumptuous sin hurt you.

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Another verse before Jesus dies for the sins of the world. If anything your consistent at glossing over this point.

 

[throughfaith]

You have no right to judge whether a person is saved or not by their behavior. Who do you think you are, God?

There are many verses which teach saved people will be lost, but you're just going to sit down in Christ's judgment seat and take His place like the Pope claims to take his place when it comes to forgiveness, right? Both of you are ANTICHRISTS.

There is not a single verse ( explicit) that says a person who is sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, can be lost again . Not one .

 

[Truth7t7]

You have no right to judge whether a person is saved or not by their behavior. Who do you think you are, God?

There are many verses which teach saved people will be lost, but you're just going to sit down in Christ's judgment seat and take His place like the Pope claims to take his place when it comes to forgiveness, right? Both of you are ANTICHRISTS.

Jesus Is The Lord

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

 

[throughfaith]

You have no right to judge whether a person is saved or not by their behavior. Who do you think you are, God?

There are many verses which teach saved people will be lost, but you're just going to sit down in Christ's judgment seat and take His place like the Pope claims to take his place when it comes to forgiveness, right? Both of you are ANTICHRISTS.

Isn't this a bit rich considering everything you've said so far ?