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so fleeting
sad
since you are clueless about how I live, perhaps measure your words with more caution
we cannot both be living as you claim. only one of us lives in belief and does not censure what scripture plainly states and encourage others to do the same.
should have held onto that blessing a bit longer perhaps
sad
since you are clueless about how I live, perhaps measure your words with more caution
we cannot both be living as you claim. only one of us lives in belief and does not censure what scripture plainly states and encourage others to do the same.
should have held onto that blessing a bit longer perhaps
WHAT SPECIFIC Scripture have I posted and commented on that is from disbelief or changes what that Scripture says.
isn't that drum worn out yet?
we all know that many have posted the scriptures to you
the rest is personal anecdote and we can all see how you respond to that...
we all know that many have posted the scriptures to you
the rest is personal anecdote and we can all see how you respond to that...
Post the Scripture and what I have said that is not Biblical and the SOURCE from which you used to prove what you say!
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If we read the whole of Acts chapters 1 and 2 without dividing the two chapters we see that Luke listed the 120 people who were gathered in prayer in the upper room waiting for what was going to come next. Because of the continued flow of the narrative there is nothing to say that those to whom the Holy Spirit came were reduced to just eleven Apostles. It is just a matter of basic comprehension. If a few sentences earlier show that 120 were gathered, and then the Holy Spirit comes, we can safely assume that there will 120 present still. It is when people want just 11 people present that makes them suspend normal comprehension and read in information that is not there. I learned that on my journey toward my M.A. in English Literature.
Colossians 1:16......
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
John 14:1......
"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me"!
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
John 14:1......
"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me"!
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see post 322 above?
that is you poo pooing personal experience...basically your attitude to anyone but yourself
oh listen...you are not exactly my favorite read in these forums. yuh think I'm going to go hound dogging after your posts?
please
no bluff here. I could not be more serious. I firmly believe the things of the Spirit of God are life and death
such a simple thing to solve anyway...with or without previous posts you have made in multiplicity
your constant denial of any and all tongues, including the gem you just posted about Paul saying he never spoke in tongues (I would laugh but sadly you seem serious) is what comes to mind
duh
I would have to disagree.
When I read the literal word in Acts, I do not see the 120 speaking in tongues. I see the ELEVEN and specifically Peter. Mary is named but nowhere is it said she spoke in tongues.
Lets read it together........
Mark 16:14 ...........
"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."
I hope that you can agree that the ELEVEN in that verse is the APOSTLES.
Acts 1:4............
"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Here then are the ELEVEN again as TEY are the ELEVEN Jesus commissioned in Mark 16.
Now just in case there is a disagreement lets see if the Bible will help us identify who THEY were............
Acts 1:13..........
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James."
If you count the names you will see that there are ELEVEN (11) Apostles present.
Now lets read Acts 2:1-6..............
"When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, THEY (ELEVEN Apostles) were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where THEY (ELEVEN APOSTLES) were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to THEM (ELEVEN APOSTLES) divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of THEM (ELEVEN APOSTLES). 4 And THEY (ELEVEN APOSTLES) were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Do YOU agree that what is posted here is what the Bible actually says (Parenthesis added by me for claification)?
The Crowd’s Response
Verse #5..........
" And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language."
Do the Scriptures say that anyone other that the ELEVEN APOSTLES spoke in a tongue?
Then notice that the people all there DID NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES but instead they HEARD what the Apostles said in their own LANGUAGE.
Verse #8.............
"And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born?
When I read the literal word in Acts, I do not see the 120 speaking in tongues. I see the ELEVEN and specifically Peter. Mary is named but nowhere is it said she spoke in tongues.
Lets read it together........
Mark 16:14 ...........
"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."
I hope that you can agree that the ELEVEN in that verse is the APOSTLES.
Acts 1:4............
"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Here then are the ELEVEN again as TEY are the ELEVEN Jesus commissioned in Mark 16.
Now just in case there is a disagreement lets see if the Bible will help us identify who THEY were............
Acts 1:13..........
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James."
If you count the names you will see that there are ELEVEN (11) Apostles present.
Now lets read Acts 2:1-6..............
"When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, THEY (ELEVEN Apostles) were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where THEY (ELEVEN APOSTLES) were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to THEM (ELEVEN APOSTLES) divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of THEM (ELEVEN APOSTLES). 4 And THEY (ELEVEN APOSTLES) were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Do YOU agree that what is posted here is what the Bible actually says (Parenthesis added by me for claification)?
The Crowd’s Response
Verse #5..........
" And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language."
Do the Scriptures say that anyone other that the ELEVEN APOSTLES spoke in a tongue?
Then notice that the people all there DID NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES but instead they HEARD what the Apostles said in their own LANGUAGE.
Verse #8.............
"And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born?
My friend......THAT has NOTHING whatsoever to do with me changing or giveing incorrect exegesis on a SCRIPTURE which is what YOU STATED!
I am distured that I am not your favorite person Personally I have no concerns with you.
It seems to me that YOU do not like me because I have posted BIBLE truths that you do not like.
But you have a real problem now because You can not hate God but you can dislike me.
1 John 4:20 ............
"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen."
Instead of TALK and accusations........prove your point.
Post the Scripture where it says in the Bible that Paul SPOKE IN tongues.
I have already posted that Paul said......"I speak in tongues more than ye all" and said and you are welcome to GOOGLE it and find out that THAT WORD there....TONGUES is the word LANGUAGES.
It has been said that Paul spoke many LANGUAGES.
Now......Please prove what you stated.
I am distured that I am not your favorite person Personally I have no concerns with you.
It seems to me that YOU do not like me because I have posted BIBLE truths that you do not like.
But you have a real problem now because You can not hate God but you can dislike me.
1 John 4:20 ............
"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen."
Instead of TALK and accusations........prove your point.
Post the Scripture where it says in the Bible that Paul SPOKE IN tongues.
I have already posted that Paul said......"I speak in tongues more than ye all" and said and you are welcome to GOOGLE it and find out that THAT WORD there....TONGUES is the word LANGUAGES.
It has been said that Paul spoke many LANGUAGES.
Now......Please prove what you stated.
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this is Paul hearing what you said about him
and also the post wherein you take licence with scripture and convert it to you belief system
see? I did not have to go looking very far
Is that how you understand the Scriptures. IGNORE those that you do not like or have never studies???
You did not find anything at all did you.
As all can see.....I did not add to or take away one single word.
I gave you the original GREEK which defines the word tongues as LANGUAGES.
But......you do not like the truth so what do you do....resort to sarcasm.
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If he heard you say that, he wouldn't be as polite as I am to you!
If you are in court, and I tell the jury.........
"I was told by my next door neighbor that HE saw Paul Christensen walking through the back yard of the home that ws broken into yesterday".
You are OK with that? Just so that we are clear, That is what you are standing up for.
You do not accept the fact that ALL men are liars?
But the Bible says in Psalms 116:11........
"I said in my haste, All men are liars."
You do not accept that men tend to exaggerate??.
Would you agree with "Phycology Today" website that exaggeration is a form of lieing?????
I am not trying to argue with me. I am simply saying that you might want to use a little common sense in your understanding.
this is Paul hearing what you said about him
and also the post wherein you take licence with scripture and convert it to you belief system
see? I did not have to go looking very far
What I responded to this one that Paul said HE SPOKE IN MORE LANGUAGES than anyone else.
Are you going to claim that the gibberish seen in practice today is a know language.
WHAT LANGUAGE IS THIS?
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yep as I said before when you can't show in the word of God that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today you result to foolish videos from years ago I might add of those all of us have said 1000 times is in error.
FYI I don't even think this dude is not tv anymore.
Are suffering from PDS Pentacostel Derangement syndrome?
FYI I don't even think this dude is not tv anymore.
Are suffering from PDS Pentacostel Derangement syndrome?
My brother in law is an AoG preacher for 50 plus years and he and my sister say they speak in tongues at their church. My youngest daughter is married to a Pentecostal preacher and say they do also. Ive been a member of The 1st Christian Church DOC (although the new preachers covid policy has me looking around) and havnt seen it but its a pretty reserved denomination although a former pastor said he believed it happens. So I guess I dont deny it but have never seen it.
How about I quote all the verses in context?
"12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Oh! You forgot to quote the following two verses that showed that there were more than just the eleven in that upper room! There were other women, include Mary the mother of Jesus and Jesus' brothers, and there must have been more people, because Luke clearly says that there were 109 people over and above the 11 Apostles. And there is nothing at all to say that the 109 other people suddenly and mysteriously disappeared before the Day of Pentecost.
This is the problem when one takes a single verse out of context, ignoring other verses, and then making assertions that are obviously incorrect.
"12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Oh! You forgot to quote the following two verses that showed that there were more than just the eleven in that upper room! There were other women, include Mary the mother of Jesus and Jesus' brothers, and there must have been more people, because Luke clearly says that there were 109 people over and above the 11 Apostles. And there is nothing at all to say that the 109 other people suddenly and mysteriously disappeared before the Day of Pentecost.
This is the problem when one takes a single verse out of context, ignoring other verses, and then making assertions that are obviously incorrect.
There is no point trying to quote a random verse out of context to prove your point. Doesn't wash at all. Also your fuzzy logic won't work either.
Well, the friend was quite clear about what he witnessed. He is not one to exaggerate. His parents were in the same church and they would have given a similar testimony. He explained the type of accent an African had when he learned English. There are many words in the English language that an African cannot pronounce accurately, therefore it would be impossible for an African having learned English to be able to pronounce it as total Oxford English. Only Africans who were born in England and learned English before the age of 4, can speak English without an accent. I have done linguistics and know that for a fact. My friend is a university graduate, and therefore not unintelligent. His observation is just one of a number of testimonies of people in African, South American and Asian countries who have spoken pure English when they have been baptised with the Holy Spirit and spoken in tongues.
But I realise that you have a bit of a blind spot about that, so I won't say any more about it.
Well, the friend was quite clear about what he witnessed. He is not one to exaggerate. His parents were in the same church and they would have given a similar testimony. He explained the type of accent an African had when he learned English. There are many words in the English language that an African cannot pronounce accurately, therefore it would be impossible for an African having learned English to be able to pronounce it as total Oxford English. Only Africans who were born in England and learned English before the age of 4, can speak English without an accent. I have done linguistics and know that for a fact. My friend is a university graduate, and therefore not unintelligent. His observation is just one of a number of testimonies of people in African, South American and Asian countries who have spoken pure English when they have been baptised with the Holy Spirit and spoken in tongues.
But I realise that you have a bit of a blind spot about that, so I won't say any more about it.